How did Poland hold out longer than France.

Anyway, the point of the matter is that you are a rude know-it-all, there is nothing more to "understand".:p

Since you are so kind as to call me names on your part, I shall add that you are a delusional hypocrite. I doubt you have the capacity to actually understand anything that is outside your own quirky way of thinking. You can't even practice what you preach, so I don't see any right on your part to talk about how evil I am (you fail to even establish that what I said wasn't true, by the way) and only see a misguided holier-than-thou individual behind the facade of righteousness. If you are such a kind soul, you should be praying for me quietly instead of doing the very same thing you are talking about.

Busted, buddy.
 
He is from a different country than you, and as I mentioned, that means that he most probably has a different set of "facts" than you, some of them more true than the facts of your country, no country has a complete grasp of absolute truth. And then you went on and claimed his brain is faulty.
Facts are the same in every country. That is why we call them facts.
 
Facts are the same in every country. That is why we call them facts.

In a perfect world...

For example, in the USA it is a "fact" that the USA saved the world from the Nazis in WW2, whilst in Russia it is a "fact" that the USSR saved the world from the same. Who is right!?!

Well the obvious answer is that neither could have managed without the other, so they're both right and wrong at the same time.

So you might now understand that just because someones "facts" differ from yours, it has nothing to do with that someones brain capacity, as certain people seem to perceive it.
 
So you might now understand that just because someones "facts" differ from yours, it has nothing to do with that someones brain capacity, as certain people seem to perceive it.
Right, they may not be stupid, they are however, wrong.
 
In a perfect world...

For example, in the USA it is a "fact" that the USA saved the world from the Nazis in WW2, whilst in Russia it is a "fact" that the USSR saved the world from the same. Who is right!?!

Well the obvious answer is that neither could have managed without the other, so they're both right and wrong at the same time.

Your 'facts' are incorrect. I'm American and I've always been taught since grade school that the combined forces of the Allies defeated Nazism. Where did you hear such a thing that it was just the 'Americans' that saved the world? In a Nutshell, the defeat of Hitler can be summed up in three steps.
1) Losing the air battle of the UK
2) Losing at Stalingrad
3) D-day from the west, and the soviet push from the east.

The only axis country that the U.S. played a major role in defeating was Japan.
 
Your 'facts' are incorrect. I'm American and I've always been taught since grade school that the combined forces of the Allies defeated Nazism. Where did you hear such a thing that it was just the 'Americans' that saved the world? In a Nutshell, the defeat of Hitler can be summed up in three steps.
1) Losing the air battle of the UK
2) Losing at Stalingrad
3) D-day from the west, and the soviet push from the east.

The only axis country that the U.S. played a major role in defeating was Japan.

I guess you are lucky, and a good normal person.
There are plenty enough of unlucky, not so good and not seldom abnormal people around. Especially on forums, where their inhibitions are shed.

What I am trying to say is that I have met my share of narrow minded people who have rather nationalistic views of history, and there are always numbers large enough of those in every country to support a claim that it is a "truth" in that country.

Now of coarse there is a number of truths in every country, because every country is comprised of many individuals and groups, but that was not important for my argument, so I did not bring it up. It was not my intention to write an essay.
 
But that is still no excuse not to read the lengthy and clear explanations already provided in the same thread for the less privilleged.
 
Aelf, whatever you said before, you where rude whilst your opponent wasn't.

Ah, you fall into your own trap. It is entirely possible that I would consider his bellicose repetition of a false and already disproved remark rude because of my cultural background.

It's like having a discussion in a large group about a certain issue and the discussion having cleared up some bad misconceptions about the issue, when suddenly someone within that group pronounces very bluntly and assertively the same misconceptions as if he hadn't been listening all these while. That would be rude to me.
 
so according to your logic you where not rude by being rude because he was rude on a different plane yet still so before you, where rude?

gee man get over it and watch you temper in the future.
 
so according to your logic you where not rude by being rude because he was rude on a different plane yet still so before you, where rude?

gee man get over it and watch you temper in the future.

Your last premise was I was rude and he wasn't. If we were both rude (or not) then there's no need to play the higher moral ground card and we can focus on facts and reading comprehension.
 
Your last premise was I was rude and he wasn't. If we were both rude (or not) then there's no need to play the higher moral ground card and we can focus on facts and reading comprehension.


You said that he was rude, not I. :D

But you were rude, explicitly so, even if he was rude, according to your own far fetched theory, he did not do it on purpose.

And do not try to claim that you where not rude, I have a third party witness:

Quote:
"Originally Posted by Pokurcz View Post
'Why are you, aelf, being so rude?'
Actaully, he is very polite today, he usually can do better, maybe theres something in the water?"
(post 348)

:cool:
 
The issue of who is ruder is still in doubt. Inquiring minds want to know.
 
In this case, both are wrong. But neither of those are "American facts" or, "Russian facts", they are both Simply wrong.
But facts aren't wrong according to you?

You might think me facetious for pouncing on something like this, but I actually think you've hit a real nerve where history writing is concerned.:)

I'll just submit for consideration that:

If one looks at those facts Americans or Russians, or anyone with an agenda for that matter, bring up when claiming something like "We won WWII", then every single thing they put forwards in their argument will almost always be factually perfectly correct.

The other part of this is otoh how facts are established. That goes on the much tricker subject of how we know things; how all these facts about what happened in something like WWII (or anything in history) gets established. How do we come to know these facts?

But what's really at stake is interpretation and comparison. And that is a lot harder than simply stating facts. You still have to establish what a fact means.

Like one historian looking at the Egyptologist attempt at writing the history of the campaigns in Syria of Thutmosis III:
Lots of facts... We even have entire army records for parts of his reign (things like how many, marching where, how far travelled in a day, flour consumed in baking bred for the men, goats and sheep stolen from locals). Yeah, lots of facts, but absolutely no way of putting them in any meaningful relationship to anything. This makes the knowledge of these facts interesting, but almost entirely opaque to interpretation, i.e. answering "what does this mean?"
 
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