How diverse is civ6?

[Kupe Navigator]

I mean doesn't NZ and Australia still have the queen of England as their head of state?

That doesn't mean we are all the same. She is just a figure head for British commonwealth and plays no part in politics. Our leader is jacinda ardern NOT Elizabeth II.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Elizabeth is the Queen from New Zealand yes.
If not, why New Zealand have the Union Jack in their flag?

 

[The Civs 6]

And so are you lumping all Anglo nations togather. You might not care but others do. Heck Canada spent most of its history trying REALLY hard to differentiate from USA.

Why should we design civilizations with respect to the wishes of the country? Like Augustus tried very hard to be princeps and not imperator, but civs basically address him as emperor.

Apologies for the bad wording. What I mean is that the Chinese people throughout time considered themselves to be Chinese, no matter the dynasty in charge. I'll edit it to make it right.

that's a tenable position I think, although I would say deblobbing China also has the virtue of showing different phases civilization (Song versus Qin versus Qing versus CCP)

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Elizabeth is the Queen from New Zealand yes.
If not, why New Zealand have the Union Jack in their flag?

? I don’t know? Why do Australia have Uniom Jack on their flag?
Maybe because it has close relationship with UK?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

that's a tenable position I think, although I would say deblobbing China also has the virtue of showing different phases civilization (Song versus Qin versus Qing versus CCP)

Um, no offense meant, but I think you forgot to address @Kupe Navigator's post.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Why should we design civilizations with respect to the wishes of the country? Like Augustus tried very hard to be princeps and not imperator, but civs basically address him as emperor.

Because it is THEIR nation that is being represented? I wouldn't want Korea to be represented as puppet kingom of China just because we once paid a tribute to China .

 

[thecrazyscot]

On the scale of thousands of years I don't expect the USA or other, weaker polities to survive.

I don't think you'd find any measure where almost any group recognizably survives for that long. There's a handful of strongly traditional cultures that might work (like China), but not that many - and certainly no major western ones.

The whole game is one giant "what if?" anyways, so actually existing for thousands of years is a moot criteria.

 

[Browd]

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[The Civs 6]

Because it is THEIR nation that is being represented? I wouldn't want Korea to be represented as puppet kingom of China just because we once paid a tribute to China .

Look I don't want people to think Americans are bloodthirsty warmongers, but I wouldn't object to a game that did so. And some games like Rise of Nations do it and do it very tastefully I think.

I don't think you'd find any measure where almost any group recognizably survives for that long. There's a handful of strongly traditional cultures that might work (like China), but not that many - and certainly no major western ones.

The whole game is one giant "what if?" anyways, so actually existing for thousands of years is a moot criteria.

Well to me that would be an interesting game design challenge. And you could settle for the Anglos - who have about a 1000 years of interesting, continuous and impactful history.

But I acknowledge that is just my taste, and that goes against the grain of representing post-Westphalian nation-states.

 

[The Civs 6]

Ironically given my positions here, I would love to see another well-researched Sub-Saharan African civilization. A great way to learn about new places.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I believe Civ 6 is doing well in being diverse and opening us up to more Civs previously not known very well. With the addition of the Mapuche, Cree, Canada, Gran Colombia, Scythia, and others, I think I'm pretty satisfied with it so far. I'm also glad for the deblobbing of two Civs that Civ 6 has done. I'm looking at you, Polynesia and Celts. A- rank for me.

And also, yes, let's get back to the topics at hand. Dear reader, try not to close the thread with inconsiderate posts, please.

Ironically given my positions here, I would love to see another well-researched Sub-Saharan African civilization. A great way to learn about new places.

Yeah, that's an empty space on the world map that needs to be fixed. Morocco would suffice.

 

[Leucarum]

I think civ6 is going in the right direction with representation.

Breaking up blobs allows for less historically prominent civs to get their turn in the spotlight.

The expansions have done a great job of spreading the new additions around the world.

Maybe though civ could think abiut the base roster for civ7. I'd be ok with some more core civs pushed into expacs...

So overall a B+ - heading in the right direcrion but still room for improvement.

And my personal vote for the most obvious gap would be for more NA and African civs

 

[Henri Christophe]

Ironically given my positions here, I would love to see another well-researched Sub-Saharan African civilization. A great way to learn about new places.

We need Ndongo (Angola) with Queen Nzinga (Ginga) and someone from West Africa, the options are Dahomey, Oyo and Ashante.
As Kumasi is already a city state, I vote from Oyo.
Dahomey is a bit controversial because slavery is a big deal for they and I can't see this community accepting slavery so easy.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

We need Ndongo (Angola) with Queen Nzinga (Ginga) and someone from West Africa, the options are Dahomey, Oyo and Ashante.
As Kumasi is already a city state, I vote from Oyo.
Dahomey is a bit controversial because slavery is a big deal for they and I can't see this community accepting slavery so easy.

I think Kongo can hold the place for these Civilizations for now.

 

[Venceslau Pietro Pietra]

We need Ndongo (Angola) with Queen Nzinga (Ginga) and someone from West Africa, the options are Dahomey, Oyo and Ashante.
As Kumasi is already a city state, I vote from Oyo.
Dahomey is a bit controversial because slavery is a big deal for they and I can't see this community accepting slavery so easy.

The queen Nzinga you is refering is the Ana nzinga who is a great genereal, right? And the civ6 Kongo isnt kinda of a kongo-angola blob already?

 

[Henri Christophe]

The queen Nzinga you is refering is the Ana nzinga who is a great genereal, right? And the civ6 Kongo isnt kinda of a kongo-angola blob already?

Yes, I'm talking about she. I think she would become a cool Civ by she own.

Kongo is kongo and Angola is Angola, I don't think it is already blob it, despite the historical Kongo is in nowadays Angola that is the why I prefer the name Ndongo to Ana Nzinga (she also was Queen of Matamba, queen of two kingdoms)

 

[Venceslau Pietro Pietra]

Yes, I'm talking about she. I think she would become a cool Civ by she own.

Kongo is kongo and Angola is Angola, I don't think it is already blob it, despite the historical Kongo is in nowadays Angola that is the why I prefer the name Ndongo to Ana Nzinga (she also was Queen of Matamba, queen of two kingdoms)

Here is another case wen the alternative leaders mechanic could be used, im my opinion she would fit nicely as a new leader for kongo with her leader trait bringing some angolan flavor, like sparta and athens., kongo and angola!

 

[Henri Christophe]

Here is another case wen the alternative leaders mechanic could be used, im my opinion she would fit nicely as a new leader for kongo with her leader trait bringing some angolan flavor, like sparta and athens., kongo and angola!

I need do desagree, Kongo and Ndongo never was united, they are rival kingdoms. I don't think alternative leader is a option.
BUT! If Ndongo is called Angola isn't a great problem, I think this game like to use recognizible names.
Because Kongo kingdom was between boarders of nowadays Kongo and Angola and Ndongo is the heart of nowadays Angola.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Oh, dear heavens, those are even worse than the examples I gave. But I guess that does answer the question at hand: Civ 6 is very diverse.

That might have been a little bit too extreme. Of course if we divide the world up into only 10 civs either it would have to be that way or make China the only representative of East Asia.

It's not a big deal it's just factually incorrect.

I mean doesn't NZ and Australia still have the queen of England as their head of state?

On the flipside America doesn't recognize her even as a figure queen so at least lumping America together with England, Canada and Australia in that regards makes no sense.
Not to mention American is diverse and not all are of Anglo-Saxon origin either. I mean the UU is the P51 Mustang inspired by the Tuskegee Airmen who were African Americans.

 

[Sostratus]

Not to mention one faction encompassing all of Sub-Sahara Africa and then a separate one for North Africa and the Middle East.

The Civ4 “Nextwar” scenario actually did this. “America Inc” including the Anglo sphere, “Europa”, “Pan Asian Cooperative” aka east Asia, and everyone’s favorite Uber blob, The Great Southern Empire which somehow crams South America, Africa, And India together under the guise of “they are all like, poor people or something.”

We will never again see such blobby perfection in our lives.