How well has your country been represented in game?

Did firaxis accurately portray your country?

  • Yep, they nailed it!

    Votes: 22 10.9%
  • They did pretty good.

    Votes: 79 39.1%
  • Meh, they did okay

    Votes: 55 27.2%
  • Not that great

    Votes: 34 16.8%
  • Maybe Firaxis should actually do some research first

    Votes: 12 5.9%

  • Total voters
    202
I kind of like Paul Hogan as the leader of Australia. You know, Crocodile Dundee. When he declares war on you he could say that's not a knife, this is a knife and then DOW you. It would be awesome.
 
I come from Montenegro, ex Yugoslavia... south slavs are represented with 3 city states, Belgrade, Ragusa and Sofia, and Ottomans and Byzanttines have some cities(Ohrid,Prilep,Naissus) or UUs that have balkan origin ( Jannisaries were converted christian young boys from balkan and strongest turkish military unit in its history, seen by many historians ). Generally, making a civ from balkan is a long wait (Yugoslavia, Medieval Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Carantania, Dioclea, huge Bulgarian empire at least, Teutas Iliriya), pro it will come in 346 expansion or so :p
Generally, world think of us as late 20tieth century barbs...
 
Hey I'm all for an Australian Civ most of the bonuses are economic and aimed at an expansive strategy that focuses on the acquisition of land and resources.

Leader could be Robert Menzies or Arthur Phillip

UA: Gold Rush - Metal resources; iron, copper, silver, gold, aluminium, uranium and coal produce bonus gold when worked. Having access to each of these resources in your territory increases happiness by 2 (Happiness boost granted once per resource type.)

UI: Sheep Station (requires animal husbandry) - Provides + 1 food (and additional +1 food when civil service and +1 food when fertilizer are researched) +1 production and +2 gold). May only be built on plains and desert tiles. May not be built next to adjacent farms, plantations, pastures or other sheep stations. So a desert tile with a sheep station can eventually be worked for 3 food, 1 production and 2 gold (once fertilizer is researched). But these improvements can't be placed next to each other or farms so it creates the impression of a sparse unproductive country where a sheep station has to muster animals from the adjacent tiles. It's useful to boost food yields in arid areas.

UU: Digger - replaced Great War Infantry with a set of specific and a cheaper cost than the standard GWI

What I was thinking was a UA titled Boundless Plains. +1 food and gold on desert tiles or something like that

Digger infantry obviously

and a unique improvement or building titled goldfields that adds gold, production and culture to the tile
 
Ireland, so Celts.

Leader is probably not the greatest choice, though I suppose she has a bit more fame than Brennus. There's more than a few other choices for a Celtic leader so I don't see why those two get reused. Boudicca in particular seems to have nothing to do with anything else in the civ either, not even cities. Her depiction seems a bit warped.

UA seems decent thematically and the choice is suitable for representing the common elements of early Gaels, Britons and Gauls.

UB (Ceilidh hall) is OK I guess. I like that there's at least some acknowledgement of a continuing Celtic culture past the Roman era.

UU (Pictish Warrior) is kind of a bland choice. Along with the choice of capital and the shared UB between Scotland and Ireland makes the civ seem like it's focusing one eye on Scotland while simultaneously keeping the other on broad appeal.

I don't think you can do the Celts right really though. Trying to represent the major Celtic groups just makes it seem incoherent and there's not a lot of things other than similar language and mythology that ties them together. Trying to focus on one area makes the use of the label Celts too broad. I'd rather they do a particular Celtic group (*go on the Gaels*).
 
The thing they could have done with the Celts is maybe a dolmen or menhir UI that would give faith/culture ? But I guess the UA is already about faith so maybe not.

Brennus seems better to me than the other options. It helps that he's actually a succesful leader (sacced Rome and basically left if for dead, except the Romans were really stubborn so they rebuilt it), unlike Boudicca and Vercingetorix who ultimately failed.
 
I kind of like Paul Hogan as the leader of Australia. You know, Crocodile Dundee. When he declares war on you he could say that's not a knife, this is a knife and then DOW you. It would be awesome.

LOL!:lol:
 
I think DLC civs are generally better designed, including G&K and BNW. Polynesia gives unique playstyle: UA top tier on water/continent map, UI also excellent for unique culture victory. UU was ok when melee units can dominate battles but no so after G&K nerf.

Old vanilla civs are badly designed, and too much focus on war. Like China, both UA and UU are designed for warmonger, which may be accurate in Vanilla for defensive use but G&K makes UU good for offensive. The UB is the only good, but not representative.
 
The thing they could have done with the Celts is maybe a dolmen or menhir UI that would give faith/culture ? But I guess the UA is already about faith so maybe not.

Brennus seems better to me than the other options. It helps that he's actually a succesful leader (sacced Rome and basically left if for dead, except the Romans were really stubborn so they rebuilt it), unlike Boudicca and Vercingetorix who ultimately failed.
AFAIK the dolmens and such were mainly pre-Celtic constructions that may have been repurposed by the druids.

The Brennus they've used before was the one who invaded the Balkans who also ended up being defeated and dying. A more successful Celtic leader would make a great change at least so maybe there's a lot to be said for the Roman sacking Brennus. Though personally I'm biased toward Gaelic medieval leaders like those mentioned in the Irish annals because Gaels represent, yo.
 
Hugh Jackman, Steve Irwin :) Also I didn't realise that the civ or civ leader has to be famous to be included as part of the criteria, considering how Potacello or Kamehameha got in :)

is hugh jackman a national hero. although wolverine is badass
 
I don't think you can do the Celts right really though. Trying to represent the major Celtic groups just makes it seem incoherent and there's not a lot of things other than similar language and mythology that ties them together. Trying to focus on one area makes the use of the label Celts too broad. I'd rather they do a particular Celtic group (*go on the Gaels*).

Yes....I think it is probably near on impossible to "get the Celts right".....they were so diverse and so widespread....and, of course, not "static", through time.....

I think the developers know all of that and so they kept the focus on what are perceived as the modern Celtic "nations"...Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Brittany and the Isle of Man..... and although Scotland is certainly a "culturally Celtic" nation....it probably can't really be refuted that it is more "Anglo-Saxon" than Celtic.... [Oh yes...is there a nod given to Cornwall???...I can't remember...any Cornish place names???]

Personally, I like to think of the Celts more in terms of ancient history and so for me it's the Gauls... that great Celtic "vanguard" bearing the brunt of Roman "megalomania".... ;)

And, yes, dolmens, at least in the European context, are pre-Celtic... I remember looking at a particularly impressive dolmen within the village of Pavia in Portugal....near Evora....converted to a church.... believed to have been built between 3000 and 4000 BCE....the Celts came into Portugal about 1000 BCE....
 
Canada

Not really

Two City States, without Toronto?????????

Once again, York is a city, and it is under England. So yes, Toronto is too in the game.
 
What exactly is it that makes Canada a major civilization? Or Australia for that matter? They're both extremely sparsely populated wildernesses even today, and I also can't think of any major great people coming from either country. I mean, your most famous musician these days is Bieber :/
 
Pedro II is a logical choice. I can't think in other person (maybe Duque de Caxias, but he wasn't a leader). EDIT:Getúlio Vargas and Juscelino Kubitschek could be possible leaders too, after thinking about the topic. The leaderscreen is pretty good, well conected with his personality. Another option would be the Botanic Garden in Rio de Janeiro, where he used to go often. One thing that I dislike is his voice and some phrases. The voice is too 'young', and some lines are too informal.

I'll admit right up front that I'm sure I'm much less knowledgeable than you on Brazilian history, without a doubt, but Vargas would have been a pretty good choice. The man was one of the most popular leaders of all time, anywhere in the world.

I think with the city list they decided on, Vargas would have been a better choice. The Brazilian city list is...terrible.

I live in Vitoria, which is missing in spite of it's importance to shipping, and nearby Vila Velha is more important than some of the cities listed, historically.

Olinda's absence is totally inexcusable.

Guarulhos has...an airport (ok, and a federal university, but USP is the important one in the state!)

Petropolis, guys! There's a dang PALACE there! It's named FOR THEM EMPEROR! I would, 100% compare it missing from the city list to Washington missing from the American list.

Niteroi is more important than any city in SP (with exception to the capital). How an ABC city made the list but not the former capital of RJ is beyond me.

Ouro Preto is the most shocking cut from historical cities in Minas, but I could name at least 5 others off the top of my head more historically important than Belo Horizonte.

The city list is certainly more of a "now" list than a "historic" list, and that would fit better with Vargas.

And since I'm on a tangent anyway, Brazil could use another wonder or two. The Rio-Niteroi bridge is really a marvel of engineering, and as the home country of Oscar Niemeyer, there are more than a few examples of his architecture (pick any building in Brasilia and make it a wonder.)

Still, as I said, overall, it's hard to complain, but the city list has no effect on gameplay, so it's a bit easier to complain about.
 
I'll admit right up front that I'm sure I'm much less knowledgeable than you on Brazilian history, without a doubt, but Vargas would have been a pretty good choice. The man was one of the most popular leaders of all time, anywhere in the world.
I don't know about that, he might've been known, but 'popular' isn't the best word. Also, I wouldn't like to have a pro Anti-Semitic dictator as the representation of Brazil, but I guess it goes down as just 'opinion', which has very low value when confronted alone.

I live in Vitoria, which is missing in spite of it's importance to shipping, and nearby Vila Velha is more important than some of the cities listed, historically.

The city list is certainly more of a "now" list than a "historic" list[.]
Absolutely. After I saw the list for the first time I was baffled they left some of the most important (and the oldest) cities in the history of the Country, specially when so many of those have direct relation to Pedro II.

You can see that most of the cities in the list are current capitals, so maybe it was a fan-service kind of thing - I find it hard to believe it was just lazy work, though. Igarassu, São Vicente and Olinda should not only appear, but figure very high on the list.

And since I'm on a tangent anyway, Brazil could use another wonder or two. The Rio-Niteroi bridge is really a marvel of engineering, and as the home country of Oscar Niemeyer, there are more than a few examples of his architecture (pick any building in Brasilia and make it a wonder.)

I haven't thought of that. Brasilia itself is an amazing engineering product, but it's kind of hard to built a city inside your city as a wonder, I guess. :lol:

But hey, Cristo, Rio de Janeiro and Carnival all go together, I believe that had an impact at some point during the decision-making. :goodjob:
 
Canada has CN Tower, Australia has Opera House. *Hint* Are these the only wonders that are not represented by a Civ *yet*?
 
Korea

King Sejong (Sejong Daewang aka Sejong the Great): Perfect fit. I can think of no other more prominent Korean historical figure than King Sejong.

Scholars of the Jade Hall (UA): Again, a perfect fit given the person Firaxis chose to represent Korea. King Sejong oversaw the creation of Hangul (the Korean language) and was a key figure in the propagation of science and research. He is credited to authoring a farmer's handbook (농사직설, nongsa jikseol) which contained information about the different farming techniques gathered by the scientists of Korea. Many impressive inventions came from his period in rule alongside advancements in agriculture, military, medicine, and numerous other fields. Sejong also established the Hall of Worthies in which scholars were selected to pursue scholarly and scientific endeavors at the Royal Palace (which can be interpreted to mean the +2 Science per Specialist portion of the UA Scholars of the Jade Hall).

H'wacha / Turtleship (UUs): Probably the most iconic military creations of medieval Korea, they were pivotal in driving the Japanese back during the Japanese invasions of Korea and China. The inability to traverse deep ocean is a nice link to Korea's isolationist policies leading up to the 19th century.

Grade: A+
 
Yeah I'm not sure why Australia and Canada would need to be in the game at all. I mean, why not if they have a cool idea for them, but they're very non-essential. I'd rather see the Jews (that would be extremely interesting, lots of potential for a unique civ there), the Phoenicians, Hungary or even the Inuit or something else weird and cool, rather than another western civilization.
 
To every Canadian complaining about Canada not being included in the game, perhaps you should go on strike like you did in Southpark.
 
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