How would you go for here?

[jackelgull]

Okay, so I'm playing a noble, marathon, terra map game with unrestricted leaders, and I'm playing as Victoria of Portugal. Looking at the starting situation it looks like it matches my civilizations traits pretty well, coastal start with 2 fish. I'm thinking I should start with a workboat, warrior, and send my initial warrior exploring.

My tech plan in this case seems to be BW(for slavery and hopefully bronze)>Sailing(lighthouses)>masonry(the Great Light House, might be useful for the GW if no bronze pops up)>wheel>pottery>mysticism>priesthood(for oracle to bulb metal casting which is on the way to optics and unlocks the Colossus)>????

It also seems like there are some other landmasses out and about, so I should probably plop some cities on those. My game plan as of now is to be first to the new continent with my carracks and earn domination that way. That means being first to optics; also, I want the Great Lighthouse and the Colossus to make my coastal cities produce profit. If I avoid astronomy until economics, the Colossus+ Feitora+ financial+ light house means that water tiles produce 2 food, 5 commerce.

Now my questio is how would you guys tackle this map?

 

[Seraiel]

I would simply build as many Warriors as needed, to conquer your own continent, and win before 1000 BC. You're only playing Noble and then even Marathon, why complicated tactics, if you can just walk into AIs capitals?

 

[jackelgull]

Did I forget to mention it is a huge map? I'm sure I can run over the first several civilizations meet with warriors, but it is pretty hard to beat axemen with warriors. Besides, what fun would that be?

 

[lymond]

resource bubbles are your friend. can't really make out from your screenshot what your start is really. I think there is dry rice and a couple of weak seafood.

I never care much for coastal starts no matter the traits.

Looks like you have one blind tile that might reveal a food resource. My decision would be entirely based on that.

Generally, if worker first on coastal start is in any way feasible I go that route. If not I look for the fastest way to get out a WB, if that is my best tile and try to get BW asap for chops/whips of more wbs or workers/settelrs

Also, to consider is idle worker turns, but I usually go with "best tile" approach, i.e., best food resource.

So assuming SIP here (so no real reason to move unless you just want to get away from that nasty coast), if there is no big food resource, I'd go WB first and work FPH until it finish. You can either start worker with that seafood, or grow on warriors or wb and whip worker later after BW finishes, which you can tech first thing with England or Portugal.

GLH is always not, but the other stuff really depends on the land/resources are whatnot. All that is distraction right now. Feitoras blow chunks and should not even matter in a dom game. Just get optics and pump settlers until you win dom, and ofc course kill people.

This is noble/marathon. You could Oracle>Education or at least Civil Service, or in this case with your goals maybe Optics or Astro. (Yeah, carracks can send settler over, but Galleons can send more stuff moar faster)

edit: I realize after I wrote much of this post that this was on Noble, not to mention Marathon (ugh)

warrior, and send my initial warrior exploring.

gawd, I certainly hope so, and the second guy too. Cap doesn't need MP for a very long time. initial units should be out unfogging surrounding area for city spots and then spawnbusting your immediate area. They way your sentence reads is that you normal leave your first warrior in your cap, which is just plain wrong..ha

 

[Macksideshow]

I would start with a Worker while researching Bronzeworking then chop out 2 workboats.

 

[lymond]

but it is pretty hard to beat axemen with warriors. Besides, what fun would that be?

you'd really be surprised with what you can do with warriors on this level. First you might actually grab a city or two just walking in if you are lucky, or take out some Ais with a couple of warriors. (if you have huts on you might even pop an extra warrior or two as well).

Key is here to just start building warriors asap with max hammers and start taking cities. Eventually those cities can build warriors too when they come online, at max hammers, then cap can start doing its thing.

Yeah, eventually some of the AIs are bound to get Archery , but you can still choke them in the meantime and prevent them from hooking up strats until you can come by with a better army.

But heck this is maranoob, so you can get away with a lot for a very long time.

Look at getting some of the warriors up to Woody II with animal kills or whatnot as they are great for choking, worker stealing. You might build one worker in cap at some point, but pretty much won't have to build anymore yourself.

 

[Seraiel]

Did I forget to mention it is a huge map? I'm sure I can run over the first several civilizations meet with warriors, but it is pretty hard to beat axemen with warriors. Besides, what fun would that be?

Ok, then add "research Bronze Working and maybe Ironworking and maybe maybe Oracle Construction and then win" to my previous statement.

The fun of that comes through it's competetiveness and due to the lol-factor, because winning a game with Warriors or Axes and Swords is just lol.

We've already seen Huge Deity games won with Elepult only, so for Noble, this already would be complete overkill.

I've btw. already tried to beat Axes with Warriors. Doesn't work unfortunately, lost 20 Warriors to 1 Axe, and I believe the Axe even had more than half Health afterwards.

 

[lymond]

I've btw. already tried to beat Axes with Warriors. Doesn't work unfortunately, lost 20 Warriors to 1 Axe, and I believe the Axe even had more than half Health afterwards.

That is about as quixotic an endeavor as I've encountered around these parts

 

[Seraiel]

That is about as quixotic an endeavor as I've encountered around these parts

Please explain that methapher to someone who's not a native english speaker .

Regarding the game again: I forgot, that on Noble, Huts even pop Workers and Settlers iirc, so don't settle your city at all, find a better spot, and collect as many huts as you can! Maybe you'll end up with 5 cities and 10 Workers settling next to an AI in a good spot with 2 Golds where your troops don't have to walk a long way .

 

[jackelgull]

I've run into a neighboring civ. Should I engage, or just turn back? Or should I choke? I'm thinking war might not be a bad idea, because at the very least I can choke and grab up land around me faster.

Also the land around me seems to heavy on the jungle. Iron working might be needed.

 

[lymond]

hmmm.not sure you can get workers/settlers on Noble level, but I rarely use huts or play noble. I think someone posted the code for that some time ago.

Please explain that metaphor to someone who's not a native english speaker

ha..well you seem to do just fine with english, but yeah that word is a bit out there. it originates from the charactor of Don Quixote, if you are familiar with him. In the story he jousts against windmills or something like that. The word has come to mean overly rash or idealistic or impractical, that is, being like Don Quixote. I take it's use as also basically meaning you are fighting windmills - basically a fruitless impractical endeavor. So yeah..just pokin' a little fun at you

 

[Seraiel]

I know Don Quixote, I just couldn't relate the word quixotic to him, because Don Quixote is written different in german. Also the mistake on "metaphor" came from the german language, there metaphor is written with er in the end.

Thx for explaining limone ^^

 

[lymond]

I love words. My corrections are always made with the best intentions. Although English has other influences, it is interesting that it is a base Germanic language. There's lots of cognates. I was very impressed with how well Germans speak English in my times there. Ofc, Euros in general receive much better education in languages than us 'Muricans.

It's also interesting that metaphor/metapher(methapher) are so similar as well. They basically have similar etymologies. However, the English word came by way of French, whereas the German word has more direct root to the Greek origin. Odd though that it just didn't come by way for German to English, although sometimes I don't think etymology is an exact science.

 

[rah]

hmmm.not sure you can get workers/settlers on Noble level

No you can't.
We use noble for MP games.

 

[cseanny]

Deutschen nehmen 6 jahres Englisch in der Schule. Grundtsatzlichs sie zu betrudgen ! lol And I'm pretty sure I messed up the spelling. But yea, almost all Germans take at least 6 years of English in school (pre-college). I had the pleasure of living in Hanau, right between Wurzburg and Wiesbaden for over 4 years.

 

[lymond]

Grundtsatzlichs.

was ist das wort

 

[pigswill]

Back on topic. Had a go at this up to 2000bc. Its slightly more challenging than most noble marathon games.