How would you identify yourself, politically?

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by allan2

Plus, Ho Chi Minh WANTED to model the Vietnamese constitution after that of the US (just after WWII), and wanted us to help him throw off the French

Didnt the Vietnamese indepenece movement day back longer then that. If im not mistaken, they made an appeal to Wilson at the end of WW1.

 

[John-LP]

At this point 78 people have voted and here are the generalized statistics:

25 Republicans and Democrats
53 Third Party groups

yet the two party system rules....sigh

If those 53 others could unite on any one issue, we could take the power back...

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Alternatively, you could also merge with a larger party and become one of its significant sub-units.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

That's not to say that I'm a carbon copy of the Democratic Party Platform. Hardly. As one of my Conservative friends put it, I wouldn't last a day in the US House Democratic Caucus. They'd kick me out and call me "racist" and "warmonger."

(Of course, the Republicans would have no great love for me either, as I am a "baby killer")

However, my political means can best be served by voting strictly Democratic; I feel that is the best way to avoid extremists in government. Democrats will have to appeal to the American center to win, whereas Republicans do not have to; indeed, moderate Republicans, which is where I truely belong, are a fringe group, almost extinct within the party.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by archer_007


Didnt the Vietnamese indepenece movement day back longer then that. If im not mistaken, they made an appeal to Wilson at the end of WW1.

Ho Chi Minh had actually appealed to Wilson because of Wilson's idea of "self-determination," but Wilson, in beginning his series of presidential blunders, dismissed Minh, which caused him to join the French Communist Party and subsequently drive out the French, then Americans, and establish a totalitarian state, where Ho's original idea was to establish a constitutional republic...

Just showing you how Woodrow Wilson started war after war in his administration through backwards policies.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Originally posted by rmsharpe

Ho Chi Minh had actually appealed to Wilson because of Wilson's idea of "self-determination," but Wilson, in beginning his series of presidential blunders, dismissed Minh, which caused him to join the French Communist Party and subsequently drive out the French, then Americans, and establish a totalitarian state, where Ho's original idea was to establish a constitutional republic...

US-French relationships at the time were far stronger than they are now. Why would we turn on our ally?

I also have serious doubts about the viability of a constitutional republic in Vietnam at the time. The literacy rate and standard of living in the area could hardly have been capable of sustaining such a government.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by John-LP
At this point 78 people have voted and here are the generalized statistics:

25 Republicans and Democrats
53 Third Party groups

yet the two party system rules....sigh

If those 53 others could unite on any one issue, we could take the power back...

Never mistake CFC for the general population.

Or people that don't vote in the poll because they don't like the options.

 

[puglover]

Conservative Republican

 

[YNCS]

I like the libertarians for their social beliefs. The reason I'm not a libertarian is that I know too much economics, particularly how the world and national (U.S.) economies work, to accept their economic ideas.

BTW, libertarians, I don't want to get into a flaming contest here. I can give examples of the Libertarian Party (U.S.A.)'s official economic illiteracy, but please, I ask you, stay away from the insults.

 

[Grisu]

Originally posted by John-LP
At this point 78 people have voted and here are the generalized statistics:

25 Republicans and Democrats
53 Third Party groups

yet the two party system rules....sigh

If those 53 others could unite on any one issue, we could take the power back...

what tells you that these 53 others are american? I believe many of those live in countries where there isn't a 2-party-system

 

[jack merchant]

Originally posted by rmsharpe


Ho Chi Minh had actually appealed to Wilson because of Wilson's idea of "self-determination," but Wilson, in beginning his series of presidential blunders, dismissed Minh, which caused him to join the French Communist Party and subsequently drive out the French, then Americans, and establish a totalitarian state, where Ho's original idea was to establish a constitutional republic...

Just showing you how Woodrow Wilson started war after war in his administration through backwards policies.

At the time of the 'appeal' to Wilson, Ho Chi Minh was a 29-year old photo retoucher who hadn't been in Vietnam in 8 years - in other words, a complete nobody. Furthermore, France was actually a rather powerful nation still back then, so the idea that Wilson could have forced the French to give up Indochina is patently ridiculous. Given the realities of the time, any other president than Wilson would have done the exact same thing.

 

[Immortal]

How would I define myself politically?

Neo-Nazi Cultist.

Oh wait, thats how MORONS define me, politically.

 

[ozscott75]

Do they park their bikes outside your house?

 

[Immortal]

You talking to me sandgroper?

if so:

constantly, I cant even tell you how many of those little SOB's ive had to blow away.

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by rmsharpe


Ho Chi Minh had actually appealed to Wilson because of Wilson's idea of "self-determination," but Wilson, in beginning his series of presidential blunders, dismissed Minh, which caused him to join the French Communist Party and subsequently drive out the French, then Americans, and establish a totalitarian state, where Ho's original idea was to establish a constitutional republic...

Just showing you how Woodrow Wilson started war after war in his administration through backwards policies.

I thought so. However, we really didnt need to turn this into Democrats bashing.

 

[YNCS]

Originally posted by jack merchant
At the time of the 'appeal' to Wilson, Ho Chi Minh was a 29-year old photo retoucher who hadn't been in Vietnam in 8 years - in other words, a complete nobody. Furthermore, France was actually a rather powerful nation still back then, so the idea that Wilson could have forced the French to give up Indochina is patently ridiculous. Given the realities of the time, any other president than Wilson would have done the exact same thing.

I'll point out a couple of more things:

1. In 1919 the U.S. itself had an empire (primarily the Philippines, but also Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico, Panama Canal Zone, etc.). Wilson was personally in favor of this. Why would one imperialist power force another imperialist power to give up part of its empire, especially on the request of a young, radical gook?

2. Wilson was having enough trouble getting Lloyd George and Clemenceau to accept some of the 14 Points. Why should he have introduced something even more unpalatable to Clemenceau?

Woodrow Wilson had many faults, both as a man and as a politician, and made many poor decisions. However, to blame the Vietnam War on him is ideological demagoguery taken to an extreme.

 

[Benderino]

Moderate Democrat from myself.

 

[Smaasnekje]

What is your politically identity?
I don't know, please help me out with this:
This is what I want:
School and Healthcare free,
Not the highest taxes,
controlled immigration,
separate church and state(supreme cort should not take religious elements into their decision),
invest in more echonomical ways of transportation,
legalize abortion..
Thats all i can remember now..

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by Smaasnekje
This is what I want:
School and Healthcare free,

Commie

Originally posted by Smaasnekje
Not the highest taxes,

Unrealistic.

Originally posted by Smaasnekje
controlled immigration,

Xenophobic.

Originally posted by Smaasnekje
separate church and state(supreme cort should not take religious elements into their decision),

Godless.

Originally posted by Smaasnekje
invest in more echonomical ways of transportation,

Tree-hugger.

Originally posted by Smaasnekje
legalize abortion..

Baby killer!

So you're an unrealistic, xenophobic, Godless, tree-hugging, baby killing commie!

 

[addiv]

It looks mostly like socialist/labor party to me, Smaasnekje.