Humankind Game by Amplitude

[FinalDoomsday]

I was wondering that too, given the circumstances its understandable to go quiet but I guessed they had these culture cards all done and ready and were just dropping them every tuesday.

 

[Jkchart]

Well...not today I guess

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Probably Thursday then. But who knows? Everything is messed up right now.

 

[conorbebe]

Wow, what a tease!

I joke. Hope everyone at Amplitude is okay at this difficult time.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Wow, what a tease!

I joke. Hope everyone at Amplitude is okay at this difficult time.

They are still working, at least yesterday, because they responded to posts on the games2gether site. How many of them are working or how much they are getting done is another question, and one that could be asked in almost every field right now.

Except for those of us who are already retired and working from home anyway - the only problem I have is that the spring Allergy Season has started up here in the Great Pacific Northwest so virus or no virus I'm going to be sniffling and sneezing for the next two months!

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

There it is. It's the Huns.

 

[conorbebe]

Let's get down to business!

 

[Jkchart]

Interesting that we are getting the Huns! Not against it. Everything here seems in order though: Militarist, a mobile "Hunnic Horde" cavalry. I find the use of Ordu for the Huns in HK quite interesting since it is the Mongolian Civ VI building, but no matter!

 

[j51]

So the Huns and no Han. I wonder who that picture of the dudes playing Go represents? Maybe Silla, or could Qin be in? They did say that they like including short-lived but influential empires.

 

[FinalDoomsday]

Yeah a little dissapointed Han is not in. When the main ethnic group in China still refers to themselves as 'Han Chinese' surely thats a dynasty that earned more than a few Fame points!

 

[pokiehl]

So the Huns and no Han. I wonder who that picture of the dudes playing Go represents? Maybe Silla, or could Qin be in? They did say that they like including short-lived but influential empires.

I believe CatoNineTails has clarified on Reddit that the picture you're referring to was scrapped.

 

[CivLuvah]

Imgur album updated to include the Huns:

https://imgur.com/a/4cPjGSY

Yeah, I'm also disappointed that they didn't show the Han as a representative for China in this era. Probably they're going for the Qin?

 

[Krajzen]

Yeah a little dissapointed Han is not in. When the main ethnic group in China still refers to themselves as 'Han Chinese' surely thats a dynasty that earned more than a few Fame points!

In some interview devs have stated that China is represented by Zhou, Ming and PRC.

I kind of dislike this setup... Han is incredibly important empire and should really be in game, and I vastly prefer Tang and Song over Ming for medieval era (they were far more innovative).
Oh well. I guess 6 incarnations of China and India would be too much for them (though I'd go for it) and the current setup is still way better than civ's singular 'China'.

Besides, there are always expansions and DLCs

 

[FinalDoomsday]

Theres a lot of potential in DLC with era specific civs. We could easily see themed packs filling in gaps.

For now I suppose you could stick to Zhou through classical and then switch to Ming in medieval and then see them through to when PRC shows up. Would make a pretty fun achievement!

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

In some interview devs have stated that China is represented by Zhou, Ming and PRC.

I kind of dislike this setup... Han is incredibly important empire and should really be in game, and I vastly prefer Tang and Song over Ming for medieval era (they were far more innovative).
Oh well. I guess 6 incarnations of China and India would be too much for them (though I'd go for it) and the current setup is still way better than civ's singular 'China'.

Besides, there are always expansions and DLCs

Sigh. Agree completely that Han, Song and Tang would have been preferred over Zhou and Ming, but short of winning the MegaLotto and starting your own game company, what are ya gonna do?

In fairness, though, the Chinese are the one 'Civilization' that could have a legitimate Faction in every Era from the Classical on (Ancient Era 'Chinese' Dynasties are much too Mythical) with a very strong and real connection between each of them.

As stated, there's always Expansions and DLCs. I'd go further and say that with the Humankind 'progressive Faction' system the Chinese are a strong candidate for an early DLC Labeled "China Through the Ages" that includes the 'missing' Chinese Dynasties, and also a selection of Chinese Enemies. They've just announced the Huns for Classical, so the Xiong-Nu for Ancient would be almost a No Brainer, and it looks like the Mongols are going to be in the game, so an Enemies part would be half-way done already!

NOTE: There's a brand new book out on the Xiong-Nu which I just got yesterday - looks good, with a bibliography full of Chinese and Mongolian archeological and historical references and a map of cities and a Leader/King List, so it looks like it might turn into a Ready Reference for creating them as a Faction (or a Civ in That Other Game)

 

[j51]

I'm guessing Ming are more likely to be Early Modern. Frankly I would have preferred Zhou, Han, and then Qing and Modern China. The Middle and Early Modern eras are so crowded with cultures that it makes the most sense to skip the Chinese in those. (Although the Tang are the dynasty I find the most interesting.)

 

[Siptah]

I agree with @j51 that Ming are more likely to appear in the Early Modern era. And I agree with everyone else that it is likely that more Chinese cultures will be added later on. 10 civs per era isn‘t much and I‘m glad that Amplitude chose to limit the amount of Chinese cultures to 3. I hope this is true for others as well and we don‘t see 5 „Frances, 4 „Germanies,“ and 5 „Indias.“

 

[BuchiTaton]

What I would like for Far East Asia:

- CHINA: Zhou (Ancient) > Xiongnu (Classical) > Tufan (Medieval) > Manchu (Early Modern) > **** (Industrial) > PRC (Contemporary)
- FAR EAST: **** (Ancient) > **** (Classical) > Mongolia (Medieval) > Joseon (Early Modern) > Japan (Industrial) > Vietnam (Contemporary)

The idea is to have proper chinese cultures (Zhou and PRC) but still have the most of other historical cultures from the area of modern China. Anyway Han and Tang are realy important dynasties with potential of great units.

I use the name Tufan for Tibetan Empire to reduce suspicions. Of course Jurchen/Manchus end being Qing. Joseon instead of Korea is to let open the chance of future representation for modern Korea. Vietnam is on Far East instead of South East Asia, because Vietnam is way more cultural influenced by China that any country from that region.

- INDIA: Harappa (Ancient) > Maurya (Classical) > Chola (Medieval) > Mughal (Early Modern) > **** (Industrial) > India (Contemporary)
- SOUTH EAST ASIA: **** (Ancient) > **** (Classical) > Khmer (Medieval) > Burma (Early Modern) > Siam (Industrial) > Indonesia (Contemporary)

Would like to have Majapahit but Khmer have priority and modern Indonesia could still represent that region.

Now like you can see neither India or China have Industrial representatives, this represent how Industrial era was the only period when this historical titans were eclipsed by europeans, at the same time more slots are open for european cultures from Industrial era.

 

[Krajzen]

In fairness, though, the Chinese are the one 'Civilization' that could have a legitimate Faction in every Era from the Classical on (Ancient Era 'Chinese' Dynasties are much too Mythical) with a very strong and real connection between each of them.

Not just them, Iran is very good case of it too. For example you could make it Elam - Achaemenids/Sasanids - Samanids - Safavids - Qajar - 20th century Iran. Very strong cultural and linguistic continuity, comparable or bigger than China. Achaemenids founded on Elam's cultural fundaments, their example directly followed by Parthia, then by Sassanids who directly referenced Achaemenid Iran, then Islamic era and various ephemeric states who however had distinct Persian identity opposed to Arab assimilated and referenced ancient Iranian states, then Safavids being culturally Iranian state...

Another very good candidate is Korea. Its most ancient era is the weakest link, but later we get Silla - Goryeo - Joseon - Late Joseon - Republic.

India is more difficult case, it is certainly cultural continuity in some way, you could make such line in several ways, for example
Vedic civilization or Harappa - Maurya - Gupta - Mughals or Vijayanagara if you don't wanna Islamic empire - Maratha - India. But arguably it is more complicated connection.

Germany, France and England could sort of work, but only if you accept quite controversial and sketchy transition from Roman era peoples to post-Roman kingdoms domnated by other barbarian groups. Such as:
Celts/Gauls - Franks - Kingdom of France - Ancien Regime - Napoleonic France - Republic of France
Germania - Franks - Holy Roman Empire - Prussia - German Empire - German Federal Republic (I agree, it's problematic at times)
Celts - Anglo-Saxons - Kingdom of England - Great Britain - British Empire - United Kingdom
well, to be honest, this way we could also make
Etruscans - Rome - Kingdom of Italy - Renaissance Italy - Sardinia-Piedmont - modern Italy

Other candidates who come close:
- Nubia. Meroe - Kush - Alodia/Makuria - Funj (Sennar) Sultanate - industrial era hole - Sudan. It could honestly work if not that one hole.
- Ethiopia - it does completely miss "ancient era", otherwise it has a cultural continuity for over 2000 years
- Georgia - same as above, meh ancient era, otherwise 2000 year old continuity of people, and some iteration of their state in every Humankind era.
- Mycenae - Greece - Byzantium - early modern hole - Kingdom of Greece - Hellenic Republic

it is really annoying how that complete early modern hole is the only thing preventing us from carrying Greeks through all eras...

 

[SagarRathore]

Not just them, Iran is very good case of it too. For example you could make it Elam - Achaemenids/Sasanids - Samanids - Safavids - Qajar - 20th century Iran. Very strong cultural and linguistic continuity, comparable or bigger than China. Achaemenids founded on Elam's cultural fundaments, their example directly followed by Parthia, then by Sassanids who directly referenced Achaemenid Iran, then Islamic era and various ephemeric states who however had distinct Persian identity opposed to Arab assimilated and referenced ancient Iranian states, then Safavids being culturally Iranian state...

Another very good candidate is Korea. Its most ancient era is the weakest link, but later we get Silla - Goryeo - Joseon - Late Joseon - Republic.

India is more difficult case, it is certainly cultural continuity in some way, you could make such line in several ways, for example
Vedic civilization or Harappa - Maurya - Gupta - Mughals or Vijayanagara if you don't wanna Islamic empire - Maratha - India. But arguably it is more complicated connection.

Germany, France and England could sort of work, but only if you accept quite controversial and sketchy transition from Roman era peoples to post-Roman kingdoms domnated by other barbarian groups. Such as:
Celts/Gauls - Franks - Kingdom of France - Ancien Regime - Napoleonic France - Republic of France
Germania - Franks - Holy Roman Empire - Prussia - German Empire - German Federal Republic (I agree, it's problematic at times)
Celts - Anglo-Saxons - Kingdom of England - Great Britain - British Empire - United Kingdom
well, to be honest, this way we could also make
Etruscans - Rome - Kingdom of Italy - Renaissance Italy - Sardinia-Piedmont - modern Italy

Other candidates who come close:
- Nubia. Meroe - Kush - Alodia/Makuria - Funj (Sennar) Sultanate - industrial era hole - Sudan. It could honestly work if not that one hole.
- Ethiopia - it does completely miss "ancient era", otherwise it has a cultural continuity for over 2000 years
- Georgia - same as above, meh ancient era, otherwise 2000 year old continuity of people, and some iteration of their state in every Humankind era.
- Mycenae - Greece - Byzantium - early modern hole - Kingdom of Greece - Hellenic Republic

it is really annoying how that complete early modern hole is the only thing preventing us from carrying Greeks through all eras...

Interesting observations,though I see great parallel between India and China in terms of history both have origin in river bed region comparatively northern location..one at Yellow river and other at Indus-Ganga region.. and there is somewhat similarity in both stories
India-Vedic Period dominated by Puru dynasty
China-Shang or Zhou dynasty
India-(tyrant )Nanda empire unify significant part of India 500-300 BCE
China-(tyrant) Qin dynasty unify significant. part of China 220 BCE
India-Maurya unify all of(most of) undivided India 300 B.C.E..administrative,transport reforms
China-Han dynasty unify China similar reforms 200 B.C.E
India-Time to go aesthete Gupta Empire,Golden age of India 400-500 C.E
China- Tang dynasty Golden age of China 700-800 C.E
Till this India was leading now China take lead
People from Central part/Northern part of continent got OP
China-Damn Liao/Jin/..nd now Yuan 900-1360
India-Damn Ghurids/Turko-Afghan..nd they r already persianised ,cant play culture card to assimilate them 1200-1500
China-Ming dynasty..I will handle my own affairs get away nomads 1400-1600
India-Vijaynagar,Rajput(Sisodia) we tried our best to be ur Ming India but please wait for Maratha now 1500
China- Qing (Manchurians) ok Hans let me rule now 1700-1900
India-(Turko_Mongol) Mughals good place to build an empire 1550-1700

India-Maratha ok enough it's over Mughal(1700-1800) little difference in sequence
India-Surprise Surprise u get bonus British r here(1850-1947)
China-British Well we r also here but since we already have India just give me Hong Kong
India-Modern Republic of India 1947
China-Modern P.R.China 1949