Humankind- Zulus discussion thread

[Eagle Pursuit]

https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1328745119592361986?s=19

Unit: Impi
Quarter: Warrior's Izindlu

Affinity: Militant

 

[Jkchart]

You totally ninja'd me. Moderators, feel free to delete my thread.

EDIT:

Truly disappointed that in an age of global commerce we don't get any merchant cultures and are stuck with Zulu.

 

[ferretbacon]

I read that the Zulu were highly suspected, but I'm not a fan. They're relevant from a European standpoint within the era of European industrialization, but otherwise possess none of the characteristics of an industrialized culture. It doesn't make sense to me.

Edit: cool card art, though.

 

[CivLuvah]

Honestly expected. The culture that I'm least excited about.

Oh well, at least we're going to the Contemporary Era next week!

 

[Jkchart]

Honestly expected. The culture that I'm least excited about.

Oh well, at least we're going to the Contemporary Era next week!

Agreed. They're only relevant in that pop culture has immortalized their defeat of a few British armies but ultimately were a local power without much influence.

I'm truly tired of the Zulu being so over-represented. We SHOULD have had at LEAST one merchant option this age.

 

[Narcisse]

Industrial era is a period defined by HK, not exclusive to industrialized cultures. Even if I initially didn't expect Zulu, IMO it's really a limited vision to only consider cultures which get the industrial revolution.
Personally I'm interessed by a lot of cultures of this time period which are not related to industrial revolution.
I hope than the addition of Zulu will maybe offer to us a lineage into modern South African

The art is awesome, really badass

 

[Jkchart]

Industrial era is a period defined by HK, not exclusive to industrialized cultures. Even if I initially didn't expect them, for me it's really a limited vision to only consider cultures which get the industrial revolution.
Personally I'm interessed by a lot of cultures of this time period which are not related to industrial revolution.
I hope than the addition of Zulu will maybe offer to us a lineage into modern South African ?

The art is awesome, really badass

Of course it shouldn't be limited to the Industrial Revolution but the Zulu were such a minor player that have been over-popularized. There were better choices for African representation in the time period (Ethiopia, Madagascar, something from the Swahili coast perhaps, Morocco), but i do hope that yest we get a modern South Africa with this at some point.

 

[Narcisse]

And why they are over-represented, in videogames ? they only appeared in two civ if I am not wrong.
They are rather important in their geographical zone, and always an important ethnic, cultural and linguistic group today.
Ethiopian already have a representation in the game, and have high chance to be in modern era. Zulu like a lot of cultures deserve to be in the game. It's rather subjective. I mean, Magadascar for exemple, why they are a better choice for an African representation, they are not less minor than Zulu, and it seems to be a question of tastes here. And I said that when I want to have Madagascar.

It just seems insulting for me to say than a culture is a better African reprensentation than another one.
I mean, a culture represent itself, not the whole continent ...

And tbh, the problem of no Merchant in industrial era don't come from Zulu. All african cultures so far in HK were merchant until today, it would have been silly if we get again a merchant african culture today. And we absolutly needed an african culture in industrial era.
It's not especially the best era to represent Morocco and Swahili for me, again it's debatable, when there is not better era (if I am not wrong) to represent the Zulu than industrial era.

Personally, the only thing I expected at a moment, was getting an alternative of the Zulu archetype (singular military doctrine for the era), with the Rozvi Empire for exemple. If they want to make something really different of Civ.

I am not really interessed in Zulu, in term of gameplay, because I have the biase of Civ 6 gameplay.
I hope they will have a more interesting trope in the way we will play them.

 

[Siptah]

yawn. Nice art though, as expected.

 

[Guandao]

I hope other sub-Saharan African factions are added later, like Zimbabwe, Ashanti, Benin, Dahomey, Kongo, Somalia, Swahili, and Merina/Madagascar. I guess the Zulu have the name brand recognition over those. So we have zero Merchant factions in Industrial. A strange choice, but oh well. I'm expecting to see the Americans next week.

 

[ehecatzin]

Same as everyone, I'm not particulary thrilled about Zulu, I would have prefered Ethiopia to them on release. Tho I'm curious as to how the Impi tactics will translate to battles.

 

[SuddenAppearance]

Nothing against the zulu, it's a legitimate pick for the era. I understand that people can get tired of it because they have been in civ since forever, but I like having them in the game. As Guandao, I would love to see some more african cultures implemented. I'm whising for an active modding community in this game, It seems so much easier to me to add a culture harmoniously in hk than in civ.

Also, with this, we chalk up the last of the unsurprising civs of which we knew almost everything! Looking for the next week with excitement, let's see what they have prepared for us.

 

[Narcisse]

I hope other sub-Saharan African factions are added later, like Zimbabwe, Ashanti, Benin, Dahomey, Kongo, Somalia, Swahili, and Merina/Madagascar. I guess the Zulu have the name brand recognition over those. So we have zero Merchant factions in Industrial. A strange choice, but oh well. I'm expecting to see the Americans next week.

I hope the same. Btw in industrial era, Zimbabwe is highly represented by Rozvi Empire which had a sort of Impi tactic with their warriors. Benin as Dahomey, could be interesting for their "Amazons".
Kongo is more a must-have of Early Modern era imo.

Well, I hope we will get a merchant culture in dlc for industrial era. But I don't know which culture and which geographical zone are the best to highlight this affinity.
To be honest, I know we already have a lot (even too much) european cultures in industrial, but I'm surprised to not have any builder in this geographical zone. I could like to see this archetype being represented.

 

[Jkchart]

And why they are over-represented, in videogames ? they only appeared in two civ if I am not wrong.
They are rather important in their geographical zone, and always an important ethnic, cultural and linguistic group today.
Ethiopian already have a representation in the game, and have high chance to be in modern era. Zulu like a lot of cultures deserve to be in the game. It's rather subjective. I mean, Magadascar for exemple, why they are a better choice for an African representation, they are not less minor than Zulu, and it seems to be a question of tastes here. And I said that when I want to have Madagascar.

It just seems insulting for me to say than a culture is a better African reprensentation than another one.
I mean, a culture represent itself, not the whole continent ...

And tbh, the problem of no Merchant in industrial era don't come from Zulu. All african cultures so far in HK were merchant until today, it would have been silly if we get again a merchant african culture today. And we absolutly needed an african culture in industrial era.
It's not especially the best era to represent Morocco and Swahili for me, again it's debatable, when there is not better era (if I am not wrong) to represent the Zulu than industrial era.

Personally, the only thing I expected at a moment, was getting an alternative of the Zulu archetype (singular military doctrine for the era), with the Rozvi Empire for exemple. If they want to make something really different of Civ.

I am not really interessed in Zulu, in term of gameplay, because I have the biase of Civ 6 gameplay.
I hope they will have a more interesting trope in the way we will play them.

They've been in every Civ game since the first because of their "they beat the British empire with spears" recognition that movies, books, etc. have been written on for centuries.

You are right that they are important in the zone, I just had hoped for an original option. And yes, good point on the "no more merchant africans", that was more of a complaint about how there were NO merchant cultures for the era when commerce and mercantilism greatly expanded. I just found it odd we didn't have one for that era.

I do hope they have more interesting gameplay as well.

 

[Narcisse]

Oh ! I started Civ with the 4, and I only remember them being in Civ 5/6. I can understand than people are tired to see them, it's a valid argument. I mean, we got Ghana instead of Mali. Why not Rozvi instead of Zulu, if the "archetype match", to be more refreshing and different from civ. (for exemple)

But I suppose than it's just because the clashes with British.

I really hope than their gameplay is something really unique in humankind, and a smart trope.
Not just being a reskined hunnic horde.

So for the moment we miss a medieval aesthete, and a merchant industrial. Seems to be easy DLC. I wonder who will be missing in modern era.

Edit : apparently, their quarter is a fort which spawn more experienced units (more veterency or xp on tile ? I don't know), the LT is about health regen (in which way I don't know), and the unit is stronger versus stronger units.
So, it's a culture which is good for not being crushed by an opponent, apparently ?

 

[8housesofelixir]

The good old Zulu, as expected - even their EU and EQ are as expected, basically Impi and Kraal. Well.

I wonder how a spearman EU will play out in the Industrial Era, especially when many other Industrial EU are said to be ranged units. The description mentions the famous Buffalo Horns tactic, maybe more combat bonus from flanking and supporting by friendly units?

 

[8housesofelixir]

So for the moment we miss a medieval aesthete, and a merchant industrial. Seems to be easy DLC. I wonder who will be missing in modern era.

IMHO Omani Empire and Meiji Japan can be the future Industrial Merchant choice.

For the Modern Era I guess we will be missing a Militarist.

 

[SuddenAppearance]

Maybe we could get the Qing as merchants in industrial (tea trade, opium wars...)? But could be too many chinese cultures for some.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Maybe we could get the Qing as merchants in industrial (tea trade, opium wars...)? But could be too many chinese cultures for some.

I would say Qing is not really Merchant, compare to their IRL Expansionist traits.

For example, Xinjiang was being conquered by Qing initially, as well as part of the Western Mongolia (Manchu Qing's Mongolian allies were in the eastern half of the steppe), and the southwestern China. Qing also had a really strong control over Tibet, tried to attack Vietnam, and even had an expansionist war against Russia.

The current all-Aesthetic Chinese cultures are pretty stereotypical to be honest, I don't think another 1 or 2 important dynasties would be a problem. The more cultures, the better.

 

[Jcturmer]

Maybe Commercial Maori/Hawaii?