Hyborem's yell

[it-ogo]

And once more about Infernals' worldspell. Like many others I found it illogical, ineffective and uncomfortable even after all tweaks. And I believe a creature like Hyborem should produce stronger sound than just a whisper. What Infernals really need is a good world war. Hereby I propose one more variant of Inf worldspell "Hyborem's yell" puts the world into war of each with each.

This will make Hyborem's arrival a real disaster for everybody, turns the world into chaos and provide good benefits for Infernals. What do you think?

 

[Fafnir13]

Eh, he's more insidious then that. It would be interesting for there to be something that could do what you suggest. Sort of the opposite of the seven pines and Corlindale.

 

[it-ogo]

Eh, he's more insidious then that.

He is too big and red to be so insidious. Really, if you are such kind of a monster in appearance you should not expect that someone will find you trustworthy. Your effective politics should be not "please, believe me" but "divide and rule".

 

[Humakty]

With a bit of make up, and a nice dress, I'm sure he can fare well at the ambassador's receptions.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

"Brute force has its charm. But intimidation and seduction are just as effective."


Hyborem's style is to be very insidious while it serves him, and then to turn to violence. He wouldn't have physically revealed himself while being insidious, thats for sure. I tend to think that he would be able to speak lies into the minds of corrupt individuals before he physically manifests himself.

Agares is actually a huge fan of peace and diplomacy as it offers a chance to corrupt rather than simply destroy.



I prefer my version of Hyborem's Whisper. My Hyborem is a lot stronger and can move freely in rival territory, but is restricted to Hell Terrain. Hyborem's whisper is not longer a world spell, but instead works more like Rantine's Convert. Hyborem must enter a city in order to cast it. It takes a few turns, but there is a good chance (based on the plot counter, AC, etc) that the city will turn Infernal, although there is also a small (seperate) chance it would cause war.


I've also considered instead making it so that Hyborem's Whisper doesn't involve cities at all, but rather works sort of like a Satyr's spell Mesmerize, giving Hyborem a chance to convert any evil unit (those AV, OO, or CoE religion, or demon or undead race, or an evil spell sphere) to his side in life rather than waiting for them to come to him as Manes.

 

[it-ogo]

I don't see the contradiction, really. OK, let him whisper from inside without being revealed. But what is the subject of his whisper? Does he make everyone to love Hell and demons or to hate neighbours? I like the latter more: it is more natural and effective.

 

[Arcite36575]

I don't see the contradiction, really. OK, let him whisper from inside without being revealed. But what is the subject of his whisper? Does he make everyone to love Hell and demons or to hate neighbours? I like the latter more: it is more natural and effective.

Look at a story like "Damnation of Dr. Faust." In traditional mythology, demons win followers by corruption, seduction and promising power to their followers in their temporal lives in exchange for their souls. It's only at as armageddon approaches does war become more common.

 

[[to_xp]Gekko]

"please Hyborem, stop yelling at me! I'll be a good boy, I promise!"

 

[it-ogo]

Look at a story like "Damnation of Dr. Faust." In traditional mythology, demons win followers by corruption, seduction and promising power to their followers in their temporal lives in exchange for their souls. It's only at as armageddon approaches does war become more common.

It was only one particular episode for one special prominent person. Well, episode which gained best publicity. In general demons' task is to provoke humans to perform sins - through pride, hate, grudge etc. If you are sinner you will go to Hell automatically, without any blood-signed agreements.

"please Hyborem, stop yelling at me! I'll be a good boy, I promise!"

"I'll be an EVIL boy, I promise!"

 

[BeefontheBone]

With a bit of make up, and a nice dress, I'm sure he can fare well at the ambassador's receptions.

And a pile of Fererro Rocher, of course.