I don't support the troops

[Omega124]

And yet nations with national health care have superior health care for as little as 1/2 the money as the US.

Name me one stat that any country is better yet. ANY.

 

[Cutlass]

As little 1/2?

Try maybe 1/6 or less for countries like Costa Rica.

But Japan is as good or better than us for a bit under 1/2. That's my target.

 

[Cutlass]

Name me one stat that any country is better yet. ANY.

Life expectancy is better in about 30 nations with universal health care than in the US.

 

[Karalysia]

Name me one stat that any country is better yet. ANY.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Spending

United States 13.4%
Canada 10.0
Finland 9.1
Sweden 8.6
Germany 8.4
Netherlands 8.4
Norway 7.6
Japan 6.8
United Kingdom 6.6
Denmark 6.5

Doctors' incomes: (2)

United States $132,300
Germany 91,244
Denmark 50,585
Finland 42,943
Norway 35,356
Sweden 25,768

Percent of population covered by public health care:

ALL NATIONS (except below) 100%
France, Austria 99
Switzerland, Spain, Belgium 98
Germany 92
Netherlands 77
United States 40

Average paid maternity leave (as of 1991; this changed with Clinton's
signing of the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act):

Sweden 32 weeks
France 28
United Kingdom 18
Norway 18
Denmark 18
Japan 14
Germany 14
Netherlands 12
United States 0

Life Expectancy (years):

Men Women
Japan 76.2 82.5
France 72.9 81.3
Switzerland 74.1 81.3
Netherlands 73.7 80.5
Sweden 74.2 80.4
Canada 73.4 80.3
Norway 73.1 79.7
Germany 72.6 79.2
Finland 70.7 78.8
United States 71.6 78.6
United Kingdom 72.7 78.2
Denmark 72.2 77.9

Infant Mortality Rate (per 1,000 live births):

United States 10.4
United Kingdom 9.4
Germany 8.5
Denmark 8.1
Canada 7.9
Norway 7.9
Netherlands 7.8
Switzerland 6.8
Finland 5.9
Sweden 5.9
Japan 5.0

Death rate of 1-to-4 year olds (per community of 200,000 per year):

United States 101.5
Japan 92.2
Norway 90.2
Denmark 85.1
France 84.9
United Kingdom 82.2
Canada 82.1
Netherlands 80.3
Germany 77.6
Switzerland 72.5
Sweden 64.7
Finland 53.3

Death rate of 15-to-24 year olds (per community of 200,000 per year):

United States 203
Switzerland 175
Canada 161
France 156
Finland 154
Norway 128
Germany 122
Denmark 120
United Kingdom 114
Sweden 109
Japan 96
Netherlands 90

Note: the murder rate for the above age group is 48.8 per 200,000. Even
subtracting this entirely still puts the U.S. near the top of the list.

Premature Death (years of life lost before the age of 64 per 100 people):

United States 5.8 years
Denmark 4.9
Finland 4.8
Canada 4.5
Germany 4.5
United Kingdom 4.4
Norway 4.3
Switzerland 4.1
Netherlands 4.0
Sweden 3.8
Japan 3.3

Percent of people with normal body mass:

Men Women
Germany 53% 37
Finland 51 37
United Kingdom 46 38
Canada 52 29
Switzerland 49 30
France 44 30
Denmark 44 25
United States 47 22
Sweden 44 25

Percent of people who believe their health care system needs fundamental change:

United States 60%
Sweden 58
United Kingdom 52
Japan 47
Netherlands 46
France 42
Canada 38

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-healthcare.htm

 

[RedRalph]

Name me one stat that any country is better yet. ANY.

Seriously?

 

[Karalysia]

The World Health Organization says, “The U. S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance.” This puts to rest the tired notion that the American “free market” pushes for the most efficient and least expensive system. In fact, we are the least efficient healthcare in the industrialized world.

 

[Omega124]

Life expectancy is better in about 30 nations with universal health care than in the US.

Ah, Life-expancy., I'm very glad you chose this one.

Location A has a Life Expancy of 78.7
Location B has a Life Expancy of 75.8

Location A is actually Utah and Location B is actually Nevada, and they literally border each other. I don't think Utah has a much better health-care system than Nevada does, considering the fact they are almost the same.

Also, get this. There are some ways that people die that can't be controlled by doctors. Let's take a trip to Detroit and find way.

When you think of Detroit, you think of Crime and Cars, correct? We love our cars, and Detroit is (or was) the capital of cars. Since we drive them a lot more than other countries do, naturally, we're going to have MUCH more car accidents than other nations, which leads to more early deaths, does it not?

Also, Detroit is notorious for its homicide. Your 8 times more likely to get murdered in Detroit than America as a whole, and its 2007 crime rate was roughly the same as Venezuela. Long Term corruption in it has made its crime rate four times higher than many European countries.

Yet, does murder and Car Accidents show anything to do with our quality in our Health-Care Systym? Some studies show that, if you remove car accidents and murder alone, we have the best health-care system.

Unless Cuba found a way to un-slash a murder victim, or de-telephone-pole a car after an accident, the claim that Cuba has a better life expectancy rate is bogus.

Another thing is, while we're on Cuba, Cubans eat to live, while we eat to kill ourselves. "Some of Cuba's shortcomings may actually improve its health care profile", says Dr. Robert N. Butler. "Because they don't have up-to-date cars, they tend to have to exercise more often by walking. And they may not have a surfeit of food, which keeps them from having problems like obesity, but they're not starving, either".

Wow, if only we had just enough food to feed ourselves and no easy travel method, we would be healthy and happy like them!

Does the fact that we're rich country and have lots of new cars and lots of food to indulge ourselves really matter with our health care? Heck no! We're a country that praises the hot dog and apple pie as our national symbols. It's very lucky we live past youth.

 

[Cutlass]

You can make all the appoligies for the fact that US health care isn't as good as other nations. But it still isn't as good.

 

[_random_]

Ah, Life-expancy., I'm very glad you chose this one.

Location A has a Life Expancy of 78.7
Location B has a Life Expancy of 75.8

Location A is actually Utah and Location B is actually Nevada, and they literally border each other. I don't think Utah has a much better health-care system than Nevada does, considering the fact they are almost the same.

Also, get this. There are some ways that people die that can't be controlled by doctors. Let's take a trip to Detroit and find way.

When you think of Detroit, you think of Crime and Cars, correct? We love our cars, and Detroit is (or was) the capital of cars. Since we drive them a lot more than other countries do, naturally, we're going to have MUCH more car accidents than other nations, which leads to more early deaths, does it not?

Also, Detroit is notorious for its homicide. Your 8 times more likely to get murdered in Detroit than America as a whole, and its 2007 crime rate was roughly the same as Venezuela. Long Term corruption in it has made its crime rate four times higher than many European countries.

Yet, does murder and Car Accidents show anything to do with our quality in our Health-Care Systym? Some studies show that, if you remove car accidents and murder alone, we have the best health-care system.

Unless Cuba found a way to un-slash a murder victim, or de-telephone-pole a car after an accident, the claim that Cuba has a better life expectancy rate is bogus.

Another thing is, while we're on Cuba, Cubans eat to live, while we eat to kill ourselves. "Some of Cuba's shortcomings may actually improve its health care profile", says Dr. Robert N. Butler. "Because they don't have up-to-date cars, they tend to have to exercise more often by walking. And they may not have a surfeit of food, which keeps them from having problems like obesity, but they're not starving, either".

Wow, if only we had just enough food to feed ourselves and no easy travel method, we would be healthy and happy like them!

Does the fact that we're rich country and have lots of new cars and lots of food to indulge ourselves really matter with our health care? Heck no! We're a country that praises the hot dog and apple pie as our national symbols. It's very lucky we live past youth.

I suppose this means that all the other statistics can be discounted then.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

<snip>Universal Healthcare is BAD. People have to wait years for surgery that is vital to there survival and many die as a result of it. All the stuff you mentioned is NOT a basic right. Also most so called "equal opportunity" programs are just politically correct non sense. While I support equal rights, I don't like political correctness. So cutting defense spending is a bad idea. Why not just let the terrorists come in and blow stuff up and do nothing to stop them? <snip>
Moderator Action: No need for such hateful talk.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Cutlass]

Moderator Action: see above for corrected post.

First of all, I am vastly further from being a commie than it is even a theoretical possibility for a conservative to be. Second, how is being better "BAD"? The next part is just made up. It does not happen. Third, if you want to increase defense spending, Universal Healthcare is the best way to free up the money to do it.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

What I talked about with Universal Healthcare letting people die is common knowledge. Obama is worse then Hitler for supporting it.

 

[_random_]

What I talked about with Universal Healthcare letting people die is common knowledge. Obama is worse then Hitler for supporting it.

I get it.

 

[Cutlass]

What I talked about with Universal Healthcare letting people die is common knowledge. Obama is worse then Hitler for supporting it.

"Common knowledge" only to those people with no knowledge. The for profit system in the US kills a lot of Americans. Universal systems do not. How is Obama worse than Hitler for trying to reduce the death rate in the US while getting control of the budget disaster conservatives caused?

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

None of you guys watch Glenn Beck. He has the guts to tell the truth about Universal Healthcare.

 

[_random_]

None of you guys watch Glenn Beck. He has the guts to tell the truth about Universal Healthcare.

I don't watch Beck regularly, but what I've seen of him seems to indicate he's little more than a vaguely entertaining and deeply disturbing nutcase.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Ignorance is bliss.

Obama campaigned heavily on bringing the troops home. Yet, once he WAS the President, he didn't do it. Why do you suppose that is....? I'll tell you. Knowledge. Once Obama became President and had all the U.S. government's information sources at his disposal, once he had an actual picture of how the whole world works, his viewpoint changed. As would yours. If you became President, you would repudiate the above faster than I can type "tolja so"--and I type fast.

The reason you can have your opinion in good conscience is because you have the pleasant luxury of not knowing what Obama knows. Fact is, bringing the troops home and chopping our defense spending is not a good idea.

LMAO the US was prepared to accept heavy casualties and prolong escaltion in Vietnam while Nixion sought a face saving way of withdrawel. Of couse Nixion thought wrongly he could succesfuly win the war.

Of course on the flip side we had Clinton with hes buildup and then withdrawel from Somalia or Reagon and hes pulling out of Beruit.

What next Basketcase ? Soviet union destroyed in Afganistian when they lost 14k dead ?

/meh at least u didnt use a star trek as an example to back your point.

 

[Perfection]

What I talked about with Universal Healthcare letting people die is common knowledge.

And you think the present system doesn't let people die?

If it's about people not dying, Universal Healthcare is OBVIOUSLY the way to go.

 

[Elrohir]

What I talked about with Universal Healthcare letting people die is common knowledge. Obama is worse then Hitler for supporting it.

Please go away. I don't know if you're trolling or for real, but either way, you aren't adding anything of value here.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

I am serious. The devil invented Universal Healthcare.