I hate god

God allows for that to happen. It is a choice made by those given the gift of free will to make that choice. God knew what was going to happen and allowed it. He could have also not made anything or anyone.

My point was that the analogy was poor. Anyway, this has just gone full-circle back to the, "if God lets a whole lot of bad stuff to happen, then he is a jerk".

And still, no one seems to be explaining away the obvious determinism that results from cause and effect.
 
A human argument cannot really answer this question. It is one of those questions that must be accepted as is. There isn't an "answer".
 
i think there probably is a God, but he/she/it is kinda upset about the way he/she/it is being portrayed.
 
As a software developer, I can speak from experience.

That's not at all how it works.

Here's how it really works. You write a program to do something good. Like sort a list of books by alphabetical order for you. You write the code, compile it, and test it. And you discover the code has a bug in it--and that it just overwrote each title in your list with the first entry. Pow, your data just got destroyed. Better hope you made a backup.

You don't plan for the code to screw up.


You meet the girl of your dreams. You date her, fall hopelessly in love, marry her, and take her to bed. She bears you a son. Twenty years later, your son robs a liquor store and shoots the cashier in the head.

You don't plan for your child to be a murdererer. It's something that, once in a while, will happen despite the best efforts of the parents. You did not create the murderer. You only created a child. The child committed the murder all by himself.


God didn't create pain and suffering. We did.

That relies on the premise that god makes mistakes or is not totally omnipotent/omniscient
 
I don't beleive in god, but you know something, even if he did exist I would hate him. When I refer to "God" I am reffering to the Abrahamic version of god that Jews, Christians, Muslims and close offshoots beleive.

Why? Because if god created the universe, then he created, sin, bad people, and evil. Then he punishes those whom he created that way by sending them to hell for all eternity.
What if the bolded bit was merely made up by humans to scare people into their religion, but the rest is accurate. Just he doesn't send anyone to hell, but forgives them and lets everybody 'take place at his side'.

(Disclaimer, I used the "what if"-get-out-of-the-debate-for-free card)

Would you still hate God?
 
A human argument cannot really answer this question. It is one of those questions that must be accepted as is. There isn't an "answer".

There is little point in sweating and fighting over an unproven idea like a deity.

(although most of the world thinks otherwise)

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What if the bolded bit was merely made up by humans to scare people into their religion, but the rest is accurate. Just he doesn't send anyone to hell, but forgives them and lets everybody 'take place at his side'.

(Disclaimer, I used the "what if"-get-out-of-the-debate-for-free card)

Would you still hate God?

No, not really. If everybody ends up ultimately on equal terms, then the suffering in the mortal world wouldn't matter because everyone ends up in the same place anyway

You really got me there

Edit: And I mean that if everyone gets the same treatment, and that their evil in life will not be used against them
 
If there was a god, Id find a way to mess with him.

Sure I cant hurt him, but I can hurt his creation, besides if there was a god, then there had to be a satan, so Id try to get in touch with him.
 
I don't beleive in god, but you know something, even if he did exist I would hate him. When I refer to "God" I am reffering to the Abrahamic version of god that Jews, Christians, Muslims and close offshoots beleive.

Why? Because if god created the universe, then he created, sin, bad people, and evil. Then he punishes those whom he created that way by sending them to hell for all eternity.

See, this is where you went wrong. God didn't create sin, bad people, and evil. Humans, with their free will, created them.

It's like making a computer program, knowing everything about it, and having absolute control over it's actions, and then punishing it for something you made it do!

No it's not, it's like misquoting someone and then shooting them for it.
 
if i believed in gods, i would blame them for everything. thats the price of omnipotence.
 
Stylesjl, the feeling is more than mutual.
 
There is little point in sweating and fighting over an unproven idea like a deity.

(although most of the world thinks otherwise)

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Indeed.

There is also little point in sweating and fighting over an unproven idea like no deity.
 
Why is God a He? Has anyone checked?
 
You need huge balls to be this nonsensical and get away with it. ;)
 
I like to think of God as an extremely addictive and hostile drug. I am glad I got off it when I was about 11 years old. They say it can have long term effects on your ability to reason, think logically, and participate with others.
 
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