I think there is something wrong with diplomacy

[SupremacyKing2]

I don't have a problem with AI declaring surprise wars but they should be prepared to follow through. I get the impression that the AI just declares war whenever the diplo modifiers hit a certain number regardless of whether they have an army or are even ready to go to war. In my current game, each AI neighbor declared war on me one at a time but did nothing. Pericles declared war with almost no military. So I invade him and take all his cities. A few dozen turns later, China declares war with almost no military. So I invade China and take 3 cities. Then about a hundred turns later, Saladin declares war. He had a small army but by now I was several eras ahead so my military was much stronger. I easily steamrolled him and took all his cities. It is 1700AD and I have entered the atomic era with like 12 cities. Pedro is pissed at me because I have more GP than him so I imagine he will probably declare war on me, even though my military is far superior.

 

[code99]

Yes, that too ... in my latest game England declared war on me (idk why) and had little to no troops, i took 2 cities and then made peace.
Ofcource, everyone then denounced me because of my warmongering ...

 

[Thorn]

its because its the ancient and classical era there is verry low warmonger penalty at this era. Wich means the AI goes beserk at this stage. And in later era's it actually acts normal.
However there is a little problem with this after the classical era the game because passive every single AI will just sit there minding their own business not atacking you


the problem i have with those Ai wars is that you can't ask the AI to move their troops or ask them are you going to declare war like they do with you.

You know, I forgot about that. I did read that earlier in the game there was a lot more war and it settled down later in the game. I hope that's the case.

 

[King Jason]

Ancient era wars are supposed to be common. I had two civs declare war on me literally the moment I met them. Personally, I wasn't bothered by this. I see no reason to be bothered by this sort of thing. Virtually no diplomatic relations have been established in this part of the game and there are no warmonger penalties. The A.I. should have nothing to weight it's actions against - no friendly relations, no consequences.

Later in the game I'm finding the A.I. declare war far less often and very rarely have they ever been surprise wars.

The diplomacy doesn't seem 'broken' to me. I just don't think we quite understand it and it involves actually fostering diplomatic relations. I've been able to war consistently without the entire world turning against me. So far I've typically been able to maintain at least two friendly civs in 8 player games. This is while conquering at least one or two other civs.

Considering I'm included in that player count - a bloc of 3 out of 8 players being friends with each other while 1 is able to conquer 2 more seems more than enough. Though even the A.I. that hate me never seem to bother me. For a time I had the lowest score in the game on my first game, jumping in on immortal. The Aztecs were a screen away from me and practically had me denounced the entire game and never declared war on me.

The game came out yesterday - play around with it some more. Send the A.I. trade routs and make a new favorable trade deal with them every 10-15 turns - even if it's a minor gift of gold. Also give them open borders, even if they won't trade it back. All of these things give positive modifiers.

I think the issue with diplomacy is that it's not as passive as in previous versions - No one has a reason to like you unless you give them one. So wars early make sense; later, if you conduct business as usual without establishing relations with the A.I. it'll turn red real quick.

 

[stiiknafuulia]

Denouncement is the national sport of the Civ VI world... Better get used to it, because you're in for a whole lot!

 

[hardcore_gamer]

I agree.
Also it looks like Epic & Marathon speed affects only the player not the AI.

Wait really? Can anyone confirm this? If this is true it's completely game breaking and makes no sense.

 

[King Jason]

Can't really assess or comment on Apoll's situation when they don't state the difficulty level.

 

[Mustakrakish]

Well I just told a few posts ago that I DoWed my neighbors twice, no one yet DoWed me, even more so Saladdin after a few turns (20-30) doesn't seem to have a grudge with me for liberating CS from under him, Cleo that hates me all game, never DoWed and when I DoWed she put up a fight, got my army wiped and sued for peace. That is king. Maybe I should try prince or lower, it sounds like those are the difficulties where s### happens

 

[Usama84]

AI wants to conquer your land, that sounds like a good enough reason to me

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

AI wants to conquer your land, that sounds like a good enough reason to me

I was attacked on Settler numerous times. The AI seems to be able to shoot ahead of me Tech and Civic wise (despite the fact that this diffuclty should be for learning the basics of a game). If it wasn't for the fact that the AI never upgrades I'd probably be scared.

I dunno, something doesn't seem right.

 

[pietro1990]

Well, warmonger or not I personally dont find it fun to have to fight everyone.

Whats more annoying is that they can maintain a HUGE army with only a couple cities. Much more than I can. Also, how the hell do they even train all of them so fast? Their cities are often larger than mine (so they had to build stuff for housing) and yet they had the time to make some enormous army which they use against players.

And this is on Settler, not diety or similar.



I think that diplomacy overall is broken. Making deals and the like is impossible with 90% of the AI because they hate my guts because i have different government than they have. In my current game 8 out of 9 AIs denounced me because of this. Dont tell me thats normal.
Thats one example of many ...

AI spams units wich results them in to lagging behind in science and culture so when you reach the industrial they will still move with horsemen and archers

 

[code99]

AI spams units wich results them in to lagging behind in science and culture so when you reach the industrial they will still move with horsemen and archers

Yes but they dont lag behind in neither of those. Idk i might be playing really bad but I doubt its that. They are always the first to advance to new eras, at least they do in my games.

 

[GhostSalsa]

I won't defend the diplomacy system or AI tech rates on Prince and below, which both sound as broken as CiV vanilla right now, but -

Please have more than 1/5th the army of your neighbors! If you don't want them to try to bring some goodies home to their citizens from your lands, which obviously they should do from their perspective

 

[code99]

I won't defend the diplomacy system or AI tech rates on Prince and below, which both sound as broken as CiV vanilla right now, but -

Please have more than 1/5th the army of your neighbors! If you don't want them to try to bring some goodies home to their citizens from your lands, which obviously they should do from their perspective

In order to do that means fall behind in other areas, science, civcs etc. Also, maintenance is an issue which doesnt apply to the AI. No matter how many cities or how advanced the AI is, it will have a large army nonetheless. Me on the other hand ...

But, i guess ill try and find a way

 

[nokmirt]

Everything is wrong with it. It's simply a senseless mess.

I love how people make excuses for the mess this game is at the moment. I do believe it will be fixed in a patch.

 

[GhostSalsa]

In order to do that means fall behind in other areas, science, civcs etc. Also, maintenance is an issue which doesnt apply to the AI. No matter how many cities or how advanced the AI is, it will have a large army nonetheless. Me on the other hand ...

But, i guess ill try and find a way

Sure, it's a tax on progress. Probably your tech and culture rate aren't going to fall back more than a few turns, even if you take 20 turns out of every city for unit spam, and on the flip side a ton of eurekas are pinned to what your units do.

 

[OTiger]

I wonder if the score victory is a culprit for this, at least partially.
Following from this Reddit thread, is seems it might occur since attacking cities and killing units increases your score.

If not, I guess it'll get patched up eventually (Maybe).

 

[GeneralTaco]

Also I believe that the AI just mass produces units because of the military policy reducing unit maintenance by 1( and more later on). It can be achieved through research only a measly 3 civics away from the beginning.
But I had no problem early on with AI DoW, but that is prob because I was Germany and instantly rushed units, then conquered two adjacent city state( one was Jerusalem, so I guess I got that achievement within an hour of release I guess...). I so far have never been declared war on in my German game. But, as Scythia I have been declared war on by both Brazil, and Greece(Pericles) at the same time. Greece was justified because of their agenda, and Brazil was because I settled close to their capital. This was easily taken care of, because it was in the start. So I quickly mustered my UU force, and made peace with Pericles, and plan to take over Brazil.

Edit: I have the score victory enabled for my German game, and score victory disabled on my Scythian game.

 

[bkn42]

I love how people make excuses for the mess this game is at the moment. I do believe it will be fixed in a patch.

From reading everyone's posts, it does sound like it is a real issue.

I think there's some good ideas that the devs are trying to implement (I.e. wars scaling down over the ages), but it needs to be fixed.