I was born this way.

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LightSpectra said:
The entire point of this is saying "I was born this way" isn't an excuse for one's behavior, and therefore people who support LGBT relationships can't use that as a rallying cry.

I'm entirely sure somebody is going to respond to this with something like "you're stupid, what do you care what other people do in the bedroom," thus missing the point entirely. Betcha.
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Doesn't track. The difference between being born homosexual and being born a bigot is exactly the same as the difference between being born a Negro and being born a racist.
 
LightSpectra said:
There's nothing wrong with what you feel, since feelings don't hurt anybody. What you choose to do about your feelings, though, is a different story.
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Feelings - beliefs - attitude - prejudice - discrimination

...is the way it works.

Feelings of disgust towards homosexuals, because they are different (and humans are hardwired to seek similars and avoid differents).
Beliefs that homosexuals are bad, perpetrated by misconstrued interpretations.
Attitudes towards homosexuals of disdain because of this disapproval.
Prejudice against homosexuals, blanketing the entire group under one type of characteristics (again, a psychological shortcut to trying to understand the world and being comfortable with ambiguity by falsely solving it).
Discrimination in the form of action.

Discrimination is wrong. Prejudice is misguided. Negative attitude is inappropriate.
 
I think the salient point here is that if homosexuals claim a genetic component that makes them what they are - hence "incurable" - then it's reasonable that heterosexuality, and possibly homophobia as well, also have such a genetic component.

We should keep in mind that scientific opinion changes from decade to decade and that no preliminary study such as this can be considered authoritative until further vetted and researched. A 2007 study should have been reacted too in the Psychological community by now. What do you say, classical hero, are there any more recent studies to confirm or deny these findings?

Needless to say, in a modern democratic society, no minority should be abused or bashed because of race, beliefs, or gender lifestyle. We must overcome our animal natures and act like tolerant human beings.
 
Glassfan said:
if homosexuals claim a genetic component that makes them what they are
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They should not be making any such claim because they do not need to. It's all a maneuvering tactic used by the other side to make it look like there is something wrong with homosexuality. There is not.
 
Im curious who funded this study
 
It wasn't Tom Petty ;)
 
I know that but I read that the sources of funding can sometimes bias the result
 
One could argue that racism is natural. It doesn't make it right.
 
I don't buy into the "born this way" either. Homosexuality is not genetic or predetermined, just like someone's sense of humour, taste of music, hobbies or any other aspect that makes up a person's character is.

But that doesn't give some bigot club the right of branding anything of it a "sin" and messing with other peoples' lives instead of minding their own goddamn business.
 
They should not be making any such claim because they do not need to.
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Well, in certain contexts:

- Mother, I'm homosexual.
- What? No, my darling, why did you choose to become a homosexual? Don't you know how your old mother disapproves of this stuff? Why did you turn out to be so heartless as to become homosexual and break your mother's heart?! <cries>
- I was born that way, mother.

Homosexuality is not genetic or predetermined, just like someone's sense of humour, taste of music, hobbies or any other aspect that makes up a person's character is.
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Food taste might be a better analogy here.
 
Side note. OP, I reject your defence. You cannot choose to use science when it's convenient to you. I'll grant you leeway on being a bigot when you accept that the earth ain't 6,000 years old.
 
I personally theory I think that someones genetics or the hormones they get when still unborn can predispose them to their sexual orientation and what orientation they eventually take depends on what happens in life. I dont think its entirely one or the other but I dont think its a choice or bad genes or bad upbringing. I hope i make sense
 
Many in the LGBT community do indeed argue genetics as a riposte to "reeducation". The logic goes; "If I'm born this way then it's natural." I think Defiant47 has it backwards - on face value, the study appears to suggest that Homo/Hetero lifestyles do have a genetic component, which some LGBTs have been claiming all along. It's agreement.

My own personal theory, having grown up with B. F. Skinner and the like - is that Homosexuality is a recessive evolutionary defense against overpopulation. Morally neutral. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not married to it.
 
We should all try and be a bit more like Jesus. Hang out with a bunch of men, and become incredibly famous after being persecuted after being kissed by a man.
 
Lone Wolf said:
- What? No, my darling, why did you choose to become a homosexual? Don't you know how your old mother disapproves of this stuff? Why did you turn out to be so heartless as to become homosexual and break your mother's heart?! <cries>.
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"It's who I am, and I cannot be a cookie cutter of what you want in a son. I have my own wishes and desires, and choosing to be a homosexual makes me happy. Why do you not want me to be happy? <cries>"
 
"It's who I am, and I cannot be a cookie cutter of what you want in a son. I have my own wishes and desires, and choosing to be a homosexual makes me happy. Why do you not want me to be happy? <cries>"
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But if it's not a conscious choice, why deliberately lie and claim that it is? Surely, "I did not deliberately go against your wishes, Mother" is less antagonistic then "I sure as hell did"!
 
Defiant47 said:
"It's who I am, and I cannot be a cookie cutter of what you want in a son. I have my own wishes and desires, and choosing to be a homosexual makes me happy. Why do you not want me to be happy? <cries>"
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OK, does one choose to be a Homosexual?

After a confused and difficult childhood, one eventual discovers his/her orientation.
 
Honestly I think the main reason for saying homosexuality is something people are born with is just so people don't try to cure it. Sexuality is too complex to nail down, we probably none of us know why we have the attractions we do.

But it's easier just to keep sexuality a black box because if you allow that you can control it then THAT leads us down a horrible path of puritannical busy bodies trying to "cure" all sorts of impure things.

Or as this puts it:

The connection between those two people should be obvious, but in case it&#8217;s not: people have a really awful habit of trying to &#8220;fix&#8221; other people&#8217;s sexuality. Corrective rape. Clitoridectomy. Circumcision. Chastity belts. Anti-masturbation devices. Chemical castration. I could go on and on, but frankly, those links have made me a little sick to my stomach.

Even today we have moralists like Marcus Bachmann and Gail Dines trying to tell us what it&#8217;s &#8220;normal&#8221; to want, and earnestly assuring us that they&#8217;ve figured out what&#8217;s wrong with abnormal people, and they can help fix it. Pray away the gay, think away the kink, doesn&#8217;t matter. Same ****, different day.

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But it&#8217;s not worth it to start the digging. Let&#8217;s say, for example, that someone were to prove, definitively prove, that homosexuality is caused by (deliberately silly example here) the mother eating celery during pregnancy. Down to how much celery is required. We have a celery chart that lines up to the Kinsey scale.

Think about how many people around the world would rejoice, cheering and saying to each other &#8220;At last! We can prevent it!&#8221; and not quite saying out loud &#8220;We can eliminate homosexuals from the face of the earth within a generation or two!&#8221; Think about how many places would start banning celery. Think what would happen to a visibly pregnant woman who ordered cream of celery soup in public. Think about how many pregnancy manuals would come out, full of recommended healthy diets that just so happen to leave out one ingredient, without ever quite mentioning it.

Silly example? You bet. Totally valid anyway? Oh my, yes.
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