Ideas for C2C

[pepper2000]

Brackenspore: I put a few similar buildings to your last round of suggestions in my space colonization modmod. I have a lot of interest in some other earthbound late-game buildings, but right now my focus is on reviewing the existing buildings. Would you have any interest in collaborating and building up that project further? PM me if so.

 

[Brackenspore]

Brackenspore: I put a few similar buildings to your last round of suggestions in my space colonization modmod. I have a lot of interest in some other earthbound late-game buildings, but right now my focus is on reviewing the existing buildings. Would you have any interest in collaborating and building up that project further? PM me if so.

All my ideas for public use. Everyone may use and modify my ideas for C2C mod and for own mods .

 

[Brackenspore]

Civil Defense (or Disaster Management) (x82)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_defense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_management

Spoiler :

Requires: Nuclear Power
Special Abilities:
Bomb Shelters: +1
Fire Hydrants: +5
Fire Hangar: +20
Hospital: +10
Enables: Urban Search And Rescue (Building), Department of Emergency Situations (National Wonder)
Urban Search And Rescue
-22.50 for building maintenance
+1 , +1
-15% Damage from Nukes
-25 Fire
-20 Disease / Turn
-70 Water Pollution / Turn
-5 Crime/Turn
Requires City Size of at least 6
Requires Access to Power
Requires Computers
1908
Department of Emergency Situations
-50.00 for building maintenance
+1 in All Cities
+1 in All Cities
-10 Fire (All Cities)
-30 Water Pollution/Turn (All Cities)
-5 Disease/Turn (All Cities)
-5 Crime/Turn (All Cities)
Requires National Fire Service
Requires City Size of at least 13
4929

 

[tmv]

What do you mean by "age minority" and why would a technocracy or a corpo-nation go out of its way to support the disabled?

 

[Harrier]

why would a technocracy or a corpo-nation go out of its way to support the disabled?

Because of laws enacted in the Civ they want to work in.

In some countries now - you have to employ a number of disabled people.

 

[Brackenspore]

What do you mean by "age minority"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism

 

[tmv]

Sorry, but I don't buy it. Is there any country in the world (or has there ever been) that didn't have some kind of "ageism", even if just a minimum age for voting? I have a bit of a problem imagining toddlers participating in an election.

Even in a stone-age society kids have to be trained for a few years before they can really do anything and the world has not become less complex.

And then there is another point: There are quite a few laws "discriminating on age" that were implemented to protect children, like laws about child labor. If you forbid any law "discriminating on age" those laws would be gone as well. I don't think that would be in children's best interests.

 

[Harrier]

Even in a stone-age society kids have to be trained for a few years before they can really do anything and the world has not become less complex.

Do not forget, that it is only in recent history - that a lot of children survived to become teenagers/adults - and even now, not in all countries.

 

[Brackenspore]

Stationery (x67)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stationery
Requires: Mass Produced Steel
Leads to: Labor Union
Enables: Office supplies (Building)
Office supplies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_supplies
+1 , +1 , +3 , +2
2 Education/Turn
Requires City Size of at least 6
Requires Paper or Pencils or Diskettes
593

 

[Brackenspore]

Applied Ethics (x78)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_ethics

Spoiler :

Requires: Electronics, Globalization
Leads to: Solar Power, Molecular Biology
Special Abilities:
+1 in All Cities
First to Discover Receives a Great Prophet
Enables: Codex: Bioethics (Building), Codex: Computer Ethics (Building), Codex: Science Ethics (Building), Codex: Environmental Ethics (Building), Codex: Business Ethics (Building)
Codex: Bioethics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioethics
+1 , +1 , +2
+2% Birth Rate
4 Education/Turn
689
Codex: Computer Ethics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_ethics
+2 , +1 , +3
+2% Birth Rate
4 Education/Turn
689
Codex: Science Ethics
+1 , +8
+2% Birth Rate
4 Education/Turn
689
Codex: Environmental Ethics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_ethics
+1 , +1 , +2
+2% Birth Rate
4 Education/Turn
689
Codex: Business Ethics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_ethics
+2 , +5
+2% Birth Rate
4 Education/Turn
689

 

[tmv]

Do not forget, that it is only in recent history - that a lot of children survived to become teenagers/adults - and even now, not in all countries.

Yes, I get that. But this is still unlike the other forms of discrimination. You can expect (as long as you live) that your age-based rights are increased with time until you are a "full citizien". And please remember that most laws "discriminating on age" are about

• parental control (OK, some people might think it OK to see that gone)
• Child labor laws / laws against child soldiers
• age of consent
• Edit: age of criminal responsibility

Almost all cases where children are mistreated in the world is about things that can be done to adults without many people objecting.

There are cases where children's best interests could be further promoted, but that is usually not done by taking control away from the parents / guardian. It might e.g. strengthen policy about families if you give all citizens voting rights but have the vote of minors controlled by the parents / guardian.

 

[Brackenspore]

Philosophy
Enables: Holy Book: Tripitaka (Building)
Holy Book:Tripitaka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripiṭaka
+1 , +3 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Buddhism must be present in city
106
Scriptures
Enables: Holy Book: Vedas (Building)
Holy Book: Vedas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas
+1 , +3 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Hinduism must be present in city
53
Philosophy
Enables: Holy Book: Avesta (Building)
Holy Book: Avesta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avesta
+1 , +3 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Zoroastrianism must be present in city
42
Mummification
Enables: Holy Book: Book of the Dead (Building)
Holy Book: Book of the Dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_the_Dead
+1 , +3 , +2
+1 from Incense
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Kemetism must be present in city
53
Code of Laws
Enables: Holy Book: Tanakh (Building)
Holy Book: Tanakh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh
+2 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Judaism must be present in city
53
Theology
Enables: Holy Book: Bible (Building)
Holy Book: Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible
+1 , +3
+4% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Christianity must be present in city
137

 

[Brackenspore]

Fundamentalism
Enables: Holy Book: Quran (Building)
Holy Book: Quran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran
+1 , +2 , +3
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Islam must be present in city
148
Poetry
Enables: Holy Book: Agamas (Building)
Holy Book: Agamas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_Agamas
+1 , +5
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Jainism must be present in city
84
Humanism
Enables: Holy Book: Sri Guru Granth Sahib (Building)
Holy Book: Sri Guru Granth Sahib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Granth_Sahib
+1 , +3 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Sikhism must be present in city
106
Paper
Enables: Holy Book: Kojiki (Building)
Holy Book: Kojiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kojiki
+1 , +5
+6%
5 Education/Turn
Shinto must be present in city
36
Philosophy
Enables: Holy Book: Tao Te Ching (Building)
Holy Book: Tao Te Ching
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching
+1 , +3 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Taoism must be present in city
106
Calligraphy
Enables: Holy Book: The Four Books and Five Classics (Building)
Holy Book: The Four Books and Five Classics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Books_and_Five_Classics
+1 , +2
+6% Birth Rate
6 Education/Turn
Confucianism must be present in city
106

 

[Brackenspore]

Poetry
Enables: Holy Book: Theogony (Building)
Holy Book: Theogony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theogony
+1 , +3
+4% Birth Rate
-99% Heroes Production
5 Education/Turn
Hellenism must be present in city
106
Heraldry
Enables: Holy Book: Edda (Building)
Holy Book: Edda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edda
+1 , +1
+3% Birth Rate
New Melee Receive +4 Experience Points
2 Education/Turn
Asatru must be present in city
53
Charters
Enables: Holy Book: Lebor Gabala Erenn (Building)
Holy Book: Lebor Gabala Erenn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebor_Gabála_Érenn
+2 , +1
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Druidism must be present in city
10
Magic
Enables: Holy Book: Odu Ifa (Building)
Holy Book: Odu Ifa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifá#Od.C3.B9_If.C3.A1
+1 , +3
+3% Birth Rate
+1% with Masks
5 Education/Turn
Yoruba must be present in city
95
Television
Enables: Holy Book: Dianetics (Building)
Holy Book: Dianetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics
+3
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Scientology must be present in city
106
Realism
Enables: Holy Book: Book of Mormon (Building)
Holy Book: Book of Mormon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon
+1 , +3 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Mormon must be present in city
593

 

[Brackenspore]

Heraldry
Enables: Holy Book: Primary Chronicle (Building)
Holy Book: Primary Chronicle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_Chronicle
+1 , +5
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Rodnovera must be present in city
63
Heritage
Enables: Holy Book: Epic of Gilgamesh (Building)
Holy Book: Epic of Gilgamesh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh
+1
+10% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Mesopotamism must be present in city
15
Priesthood
Enables: Holy Book: Baal Cycle (Building)
Holy Book: Baal Cycle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal_Cycle
+1 , +3 , +2
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Canaanism must be present in city
74
Astronomy
Enables: Holy Book: Popol Vuh (Building)
Holy Book: Popol Vuh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popol_Vuh
+1 , +2
+6%
5 Education/Turn
Naghualism must be present in city
84
Romanticism
Enables: Holy Book: Aqdas (Building)
Holy Book: Aqdas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitáb-i-Aqdas
+1 , +5
+1% from each Holy Book, Holy Song, Holy Symbol
5 Education/Turn
Baha’i must be present in city
477
Alchemy
Enables: Holy Symbol: Veve (Building)
Holy Symbol: Veve
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veve
+4
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Voodoo must be present in city
148

 

[Brackenspore]

Celebration
Enables: Holy Song: Heaven Song (Building)
Holy Song: Heaven Song
+1 , +6
+3% Birth Rate
New Mounted Receive +6 Experience Points
Tengriism must be present in city
63
Education
Enables: Holy Book: Legend of Manqu Qhapaq and Mama Ocllo (Building)
Holy Book: Legend of Manqu Qhapaq and Mama Ocllo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manco_Cápac
+1 , +1 , +4
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Andeanism must be present in city
80
Ceremonial Burial
Enables: Holy Song: Song of Spirits (Building)
Holy Song: Song of Spirits
+2 , +1
+3%
+5%
Shamanism must be present in city
31
Divination
Enables: Holy Book: History of the Battle (Building)
Holy Book: History of the Battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_mythology
+2 , +3
+3% Birth Rate
5 Education/Turn
Ngaiism must be present in city
80

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

None of the Religion techs can be required for any building as it confuses the AI. They spend time on learning techs that have no use to them at all.

Those books could be added to the individual religions. I would suggest that the Story Teller line should be able to spread them (consumes the unit) and so could the missionary unit (does not consume the unit). They could also be part of the Ideas project.

 

[Brackenspore]

"None of the Religion techs can be required for any building as it confuses the AI. They spend time on learning techs that have no use to them at all" - Ah, ok.
"Those books could be added to the individual religions" - My idea: these books could be created in city without state religion. For Example: My State Religion - Islam / Or I have no State Religion. Islam, Voodoo and Shamanism are presented in Toronto city. I can build Quran, Veve and Song of Spirits. Mormon is presented in Quebec city. I can build Book of Mormon.

 

[tmv]

I suppose the most natural choice for the prereq tech would be "scriptures". But I see a bit of a problem with

• their strength (from the amount of I think these are regular buildings, and most of the proposed boni are quite powerful)
• the balancing (it's good that these "buildings" are not just carbon copies of each other, the way vanilla religions are, but in some cases the difference is quite large: Veve and Theogony are very weak, whereas Popol Vuh is a rather powerful building)

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

We do try and make the religions different in C2C.

Consideration on timing should be made with the timing of the religion and the form of the "building". Is it an oral or written tradition (or painted)?

Would they be better as a National Wonder that gives a free effect building in each city? Would the effects vary with technology?