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Ideologies revealed

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Optimizer, May 17, 2013.

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Which ideology seems strongest?

  1. Autocracy

    46 vote(s)
    28.0%
  2. Freedom

    61 vote(s)
    37.2%
  3. Order

    57 vote(s)
    34.8%
  1. SamBC

    SamBC Emperor

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    Possibly because it's something that's been tried by real-life nations that fit in all of the ideologies?
     
  2. HorseshoeHermit

    HorseshoeHermit 20% accurate as usual, Morty

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    Still looks like Order is the stone cold rocks for OCC. ... which doesn't sound right. :sad:

    The bonus to great people was never enough for gurus to advocate Freedom opener over the two policies in Order to get the factory science bonus for science victory. Order has the same benefit available in tier 1 to help get to tier 2. OTOH, great tile improvements yield is good, but it's a constant boost and proportional to number of cities.

    Freedom delivers on assisting wider strats.

    I am concerned Autocracy could turn out like Honor compared to the other two. It's, invest in military to get back city-assisting benefits, versus, play your multidimensional, high science game, in which you can receive benefits to production, happiness, and growth, to spew out military units faster as they march off to do war at things.
     
  3. Gali

    Gali Prince

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    Well it is universal healthcare so really. And healthcare assistance is part of all three ideologies so its not that it doesn't fit.
     
  4. Chris Hill

    Chris Hill Warlord

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    Avant-garde refers to people or works that are experimental or innovative, particularly with respect to art, culture, and politics (from Wikipedia).
     
  5. Princeofnigeria

    Princeofnigeria The illustrious

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    If hapiness hasn't been changed, dictator of the proletariet sounds useless
     
  6. Optimizer

    Optimizer Sthlm, SWE

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    Sketching on a mod already.

    Freedom: Remove Urbanization & Capitalism (Freedom civilizations should be limited in size, and more Luxury-dependent) and Arsenal of Democracy (too strong, too many military tenets)
    Competition: Each Bank gives 3 slots for Scientists, Engineers and Merchants
    Consumerism: Each Market doubles effect of Luxuries
    Sanctuary: Receives 1 Great Person when a Freedom city or a city-state is lost, if you are at peace with them; also when a foreign civilization adopts Order or Autocracy.

    Order: Remove Party Rule (lackluster bonus without focus), Hero of the People (Order should not be GP-focused) and Skyscrapers (not typical to Order)
    Revolutionary War: -33% military maintenance when at war against a non-Order civilization.
    Industrial Espionage: Taken from Autocracy.
    Subbotnik: Workers work 50% faster.

    Autocracy: Remove Industrial Espionage (does not fit with strategy)
    National Rebirth: +1 Culture from Archaeological Artifacts and Sites
     
  7. Stellarnight

    Stellarnight Warlord

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    Just want to add that we discovered Autocracy third lvl3 tenet.
    It is called "Clausewitz Legacy" 25% bonus to attack for all military units for the next 50 turns.
     
  8. kirbdog

    kirbdog King

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    So I guess they nerfed the Academy, Landmark, and Holy Site under Freedom. Old extra yields: +8 science, +6 culture, +6 faith. New extra yields: +4, +4, +4.

    Did somebody say "hey Freedom is already so good for culture and science, let's just make it a little worse"?

    (Come to think of it: it could be a case of "hey, this tooltip isn't accurate, do you think we could change the game so it just adds a flat amount to each thing instead of saying it doubles" and then "okay, what number?" followed by "4!")
     
  9. Chris Hill

    Chris Hill Warlord

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    In the Culture Overview - the Cultural Victory information on a civ with an ideology shows a Public Opinion column which indicates if the Ideology is under effect from a different ideology. You can see who the influencers are and a 'preferred' ideology.

    The flags shown were Content, Dissidents or Civil Resistance. That would seem to tie in with the idea that a city might want to switch to a different ideology, and therefore to a different civ.
     
  10. Tsar NicholasII

    Tsar NicholasII Prince

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    Avant Garde originated in France in the early 20th Century as a term to describe people who push the cultural boundaries of society (If my memory serves correctly) so it makes sense that it is a Freedom tenant. Do you know the title of the book?

    Also Universal Healthcare has been used by all three Ideologies.
     
  11. elder abuser

    elder abuser Old People Fear Me

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    Is it still the case that each ideology excludes a certain victory type? From this info I'm guessing that Autocracy excludes space, order diplo, and freedom domination.
     
  12. Tsar NicholasII

    Tsar NicholasII Prince

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    I don't think it excludes them, that would ruin the game. Not being able to unite the world under Communism if you aren't even allowed to become World Leader would be a broken system.
     
  13. Calouste

    Calouste Deity

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    I think Universal Healthcare is a placeholder, and it will change later. Remember how two weeks ago or so we were told that there was a Kamikaze tenet in Autocracy that would allow you to sacrifice air units for massive damage? That's nowhere to be seen now. Things are probably still subject to change.
     
  14. Atwork

    Atwork Immortal

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    From Wikipedia:
     
  15. Tsar NicholasII

    Tsar NicholasII Prince

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    Universal Healthcare odd in that it is a Happiness boost in relation to National Wonders. It should provide a growth or food boost.
     
  16. SamBC

    SamBC Emperor

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    Food boosts are hard to balance, as it affects everything else.
     
  17. sav

    sav Prince

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    Here in NZ we have universal healthcare, and we're generally ranked more free than the US in business, media, etc. :lol:
     
  18. Magean

    Magean Prince

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    That's completely useless against AIs. Or perhaps it means the end of AI's insane happiness bonus ?
     
  19. CommunistCookie

    CommunistCookie Chieftain

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    I'm a bit disappointed with Order because of this and the lack of military bonuses.
     
  20. snipperrabbit!!

    snipperrabbit!! Deity

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    Well, I think everybody is overlooking the fact that in order to unlock a superior tier tenet you need a fixed number of tenets ie 3 tier-1 tenets for 2nd tier-2 tenet & 4 tier-2 tenets for 2nd tier-3 tenets.
    Accordingly, the main sequence of tenet acquisition is :
    1 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3

    It accounts for 21 772 800 possible paths to complete it all !
    Subsequently, each tier-3 favors one VC as previously stated in previews. It suggests that when starting ideology anyone should have a prefered victory to go for and choose tenets with this in mind. The first tier-3 cannot be chosen until the 6th unlock ! any tenet beyond that may be superfluous, so it's really 18 900 possible paths optimized to 10 800 possibilities ruling out UH.
     

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