Immortal University 108 - Napoleon

[Pangaea]

@cseanny

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Thanks a lot for the detailed comment, it helps to understand how you managed to be so far ahead compared to my game. I only put one chop into the Mids and got some failgold from the marble city, but nothing from the Oracle. Didn't build research either at that stage, as I was trying to get up a bit of needed infra, like a couple of barracks and granaries, plus eventually a stable in the capital (only city with stable though, another downside to doing math first). A bit tempting to go back and tech HBR first, but not sure I can be bothered. Was an odd decisions though, not sure what I was thinking.

So little pre-math chops means very quick HAs post math-HBR though, and I was able to attack in 550BC with 9HAs. Have just taken one city so far, and it's a little tempting to get up another stack and declare on Monty too, but I am far from sure I'll then have enough momentum to keep going in both wars. Monty does look weakly defended right now (a couple archers, a few Jags, the odd axe or sword here and there), but he does have 7 cities and Pacal have 5 more, so I think it would be tough to take on both simulatenously at this stage. Instead I have half a mind to take on Justinian instead down the line, as he just got the GLH and settled the horse-fish city east of Paris (thankfully he didn't kill the fish, as I expected him to do).

Hoped for a GProphet after the initial GSpy, but I got another GSpy, which I also settled. Guess this could then turn into my first attempt at some kind of spy economy. Almost have city inspection of Justinian by now.

Probably can't play on until tomorrow, but maybe I'll ask some more pointed questions then. I want to learn how to have a better economy and attack dates, and in general improve my game.

 

[Gumbolt]

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9-10 LB's??!?!?! His capital was on a hill too right?

Flat land!! No issue.

Update

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Cap'd sal. Declared on Shaka. Got a bit lucky his captured Aztec city revolted 1-2 turns later and was easy pickings. Took out Monty stack which met my second stack by which point had cannons.

My main stack took on Shaka's 20-30 strong stack on a jungle. I lost 5-6 cannons but the other 20-30 results were all victories.

Shaka has 8 cities left. Monty maybe 3. 2 of which I hope will fall in 2 turns. Shaka does have grenadiers but no real match for cannons and larger numbers.

 

[Gumbolt]

All done around 1610ad. 172k score.

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In the end I did not need Hannibal. Wiped out Aztecs. Then took Shaka down to 2 cities. In the end with a push on culture this took me past the winning post.

It was a fun game to experiment with Muskets. In truth I made a lot of mistakes and still won the game with some ease.

Far too strong a start really for a IU game.

 

[Izuul]

Immortal 2000 BC

Messing around with something i did once in another IU game close to a year ago.

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[pepe26]

@izuul: I like your spot of orleans for a super imba cottage capital, but 1W would have done the same (you don't need the sheep, the spot has plenty of food) and this way you hadn't wasted the clams. Also another hills tile is perfect for building a palace there later.

 

[Izuul]

@Pepe

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I can still use both the sheep and clams for other cities around that one, and I plan to do just that. The reason i settled that spot was to not block ivory site to the east.

 

[pepe26]

You are correct, the clams can still be settled... my bad. I like 1w better regardless

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[Izuul]

Not sure exactly what you mean. 1w doesn't get extra mine, and 1E is not a valid spot due to my Capitol 2SE from there.

 

[pepe26]

God I screwed it up twice...... forget it It's all fine.

I SiP'ed for the hammer bonus, so 1E was settlable for me. (Ya, I know I said 1W, twice...... )

 

[Izuul]

SIP vs 1w on wine was a really tough choice here.

 

[pepe26]

I know, the wine shoulda been on top of the PH! That's messed up!

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[Pangaea]

I changed my mind, and went back to the Oracle date and did HBR before Math. 275BC now.

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This allowed me to put another chop or two into the Mids, so I got it out in 1040BC. Didn't settle the FP city this time, though I'm not sure what was the best call. Cheaper on maintenance, but won't get cottages developed there nor whip out a few more HAs.

Doing HBR first allowed me to get out Barracks and Stables in all three cities, and while I was ready to attack in the first game in 550BC, this time I declared in 650BC, so only 4 turns earlier. Snowball and all that though, and Pacal was wiped out in 275BC. Could have gotten Calendar and Monarchy off him for a 10-turn peace, but I really didn't want to postpone the kill for that long. Instead, I'll heal up and swing around for Monty's place. He is still a ways away from Longbows (nobody have it yet), I have 20-odd HAs, so hopefully I'll be able to wipe him too.

Got 1 GSpy and 1 GProphet this time (2 GSpy before), and I've settled both.

Monty managed to settle a city on the only forest near the floodplains, so that city will be my first target in the next war, though I also want to take the one he has on top of copper west of Lyon the same turn.

As you can see, I'm finally building a granary in the capital. I've not whipped there (much) as it's been chopping time, and it hasn't grown much either, so I figured it was more important to 1-turn HAs than bother with a mostly unneeded granary.

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No chance of getting Mausollos and all those techs online by 1AD, like cseanny managed, but it's still going reasonably well I think, and as long as Monty stays away from longbows, the next war should go well, and I'll get a lot more cities (he has 8).

 

[pepe26]

Strange that people would decide to rush HAs on a map that has this good a start. Is this for fun purposes or did you actually figure this to be the best option for a quick finish date?

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[Pangaea]

Did anybody else get daggered?

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War with Montezuma was going splendidly, and it was soon mop-up time. Then, in 1AD, without any fist action, Shaka daggers me Don't think Monty had any techs on him (still can't research Feud either), so it must have been a dagger, right?

With few units around I had to pull military police into the city under attack, and without a barracks I'm cold-whipping Axes to better deal with his swords and impis. Hate cold-whipping, but when every turn counts, I was left with little choice. Took another city off Monty, will then heal up a little bit and head north towards Shaka, and hope we don't see a plethora of Impis. Peaced out with Monty in 25AD for 10 turns, as I simply can't afford a two front war. Many cities off Wealth and back to HAs, but I should still be able to get Civil Service in a few turns, as I know Justinian is almost done with Artemis (espionage), and I've built that to almost completion, which should see us through despite over 100 deficit a turn.

Diplo is a mess and I haven't wanted to waste turns changing to a religion (perhaps that bit me in the arse) during a war, but got worried Hannibal might do something naughty as well (tech leader), so I demanded some gold from him, which he thankfully agreed to.

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Monty's (former) land. He has some cities to the west, including the barb city with the pig (almost certain he captured this a long while ago). Think he has 3 or maybe 4 cities left.

Defending forces (more coming) in Chitzen Itza and the threat from Shaka. Not a huge attacking force - yet - so I hope we don't lose the city. Will heal up for a turn or two and move the HA stack NE from Monty's land and hopefully do some proper damage to Shaka if we catch him unawares over there.

Wish me luck! Usually wars are on my terms, so getting daggered can be testing. *shakes fist*

Edit: Pepe26, you may want to check your phone settings, so that spam isn't attached to every post As for the HA rush, in this game I more or less tried to copy cseanny's start, as it looked so good and I wanted to learn, and I have rarely pulled off HA rushes, so it's been fun. It also feels like the natural way to deal with the map. It's either that rush, or wait a long while

 

[pepe26]

Care to comment on my strategic inquiry?

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[pepe26]

Keeping my fingers crossed AFTER you answer me hahaha a win-win deal

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[Tempesta13]

Strange that people would decide to rush HAs on a map that has this good a start. Is this for fun purposes or did you actually figure this to be the best option for a quick finish date?

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I didn't do HA attack, I did Elephants/Catapults, but my reasoning was no Iron, Pangaea map, and Monty/Shaka in the game. Seemed like the safest approach. Without Ivory I would have done HAs.

 

[Gumbolt]

@ pangea

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I didn't go HA either. Wiping out 1-2 early does make finishing off the other 2-3 a bit quicker. You could of saved the Gspy to steal techs like machinery/engineering.

Shaka really wasn't a problem on my game as i bribed him into a war with Monty. They were at it for a lot of the early game till Monty became his vassel.

Shaka at pleased was useful to bribe into most of my wars. (Justin, Sal and Monty) Shaka is always quite backwards

 

[pepe26]

Yeah, that's something that I regard as highly reasonable as well. The HA thing just puzzles me a bit...

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[pepe26]

@Pangaea: yeah, I noticed the spam as well but it seems to be the tapatalk app that I'm using that is causing this...

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