JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
ooc: Yep. A bunch of worthless desert rats. I could even defeat them only with sheer numbers.
Imperium Offtopicum: Valkyrie
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CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
Did anyone take Free India seriously a few turns ago?
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
What, am I supposed to consider it seriously now? I mean, you most possibly are going to make it out, but you're still a pretty minor force in my eyes.
CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
I'll rephrase it:
In 1928 did anyone think that the British Empire could have been taken on by some rebels, or as they called us "terrorists"?
(I don't actually believe that the Morocco rebels have any sort of chance, but I'm just saying). You definitely came out of the war much better than Britain did, and you are not fighting in a far-flung heavily populated colony. But what would you do if Mozambique and Angola pulled an Australia?
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
They're not comparable. It is my opinion that you've managed to fare so well because Britain devoted all efforts to the war in Europe. I personally always thought that was a mistake (taking only British interests into account), but of course the possibility of the war in Europe going worse for the allies would have been posing a direct threat to homeland security in Britain, so it is quite difficult to say that it was actually a bad choice.
But it is obvious that its opportunity cost was the probable loss of India. If Angola pulled an Australia I'd be quite happy. I would invade specifying that I did it from positions in Equatorial Guinea (in case the host cared the slightest about logistics, which I'm not sure he does) and I'd proceed to wipe the floor with Angolans and fully annex them.
Things would be a bit more difficult with Mozambique, I'd probably do the same but asking friendly countries to temporarily use their facilities.
But it is obvious that its opportunity cost was the probable loss of India. If Angola pulled an Australia I'd be quite happy. I would invade specifying that I did it from positions in Equatorial Guinea (in case the host cared the slightest about logistics, which I'm not sure he does) and I'd proceed to wipe the floor with Angolans and fully annex them.
Things would be a bit more difficult with Mozambique, I'd probably do the same but asking friendly countries to temporarily use their facilities.
Bowsling
Deity
Although your wording is somewhat hurtful, we will gladly accept Australian independence. We thank you kindly for your service during the war, and hope that you wish to maintain an alliance.
Bowsling
Deity
Sorry for all the posts. Dealing with one revolutionary colony at a time here.
To: The Arabs of Palestine and Mesopotamia:
We are willing to withdraw from Mandatory Palestine and Mesopotamia and allow you to join your Arab brethren in Saudi Arabia. However, we will retain control of the Sinai peninsula, and our generous offer is dependent on your withdrawl from Sinai.
To: The Arabs of Palestine and Mesopotamia:
We are willing to withdraw from Mandatory Palestine and Mesopotamia and allow you to join your Arab brethren in Saudi Arabia. However, we will retain control of the Sinai peninsula, and our generous offer is dependent on your withdrawl from Sinai.
Bowsling
Deity
Send in the troops to quash the rebellions in Biafra and India.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
Agreed but we do not wish to be included into Saudi Arabia, we wish to create a secular nationalist Pan Arabic Republic on the region of Palestine and Mesopotamia.
Bowsling
Deity
None of our business.
Krzowwh
King
Dissolution of Kingdom of Belgium
The Kingdom of the Netherlands, on behalf of the defunct Kingdom of Belgium, announces that the former Belgian territory no longer holds independence and must dissolve as a nation. Belgium has violated the Treaty of London of 1839, in which both its independence and neutrality were agreed upon. As Belgium has not upheld its promise of neutrality through its declaration of war, the entire treaty is rendered invalid, therefore its independence as a nation is invalid.
As such, the Netherlands shall hereby govern, as it had prior to the treaty, the provinces of Southern Brabant, Liege, Namur, Hainaut, West Flanders, East Flanders, Antwerp, and the entirety of Limburg. Furthermore, the portion of Luxembourg which was partitioned to Belgium shall be returned to the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. The East Cantons shall be returned to the Weimar Republic, the legal successors to the German Empire. The Congo territory shall be partitioned between powers to be concluded at a later date. The Kingdom of the Netherlands endorses the holding of a conference to discuss partition in the city of Luxembourg.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Bowsling
Deity
The United Kingdom does not sanction or support the actions of the Kigdom of the Netherlands, and will continue to uphold our obligations to the Kingdom of Belgium as the Treaty of London requires. The elimination of the neutrality clause does not invalidate the Treaty of London.
Bowsling
Deity
The proposed action of the Netherlands is in violation of Article Six, which is not affected by the breaking of Belgian neutrality. The events of August 1914 and of October 1929 invalidated Article Seven, but not Article Six.
Krzowwh
King
There are three treaties of the combined Treaty of London of 1839, and the one in question is the "Treaty between Belgium and the Netherlands, relative to the separation of their respective territories", and not the "Treaty between Great Britain, Austria, France, Prussia, and Russia, on the one part, and The Netherlands, on the other". This latter treaty addresses only actions which were to be committed immediately at the time, to secure peace, and not towards the legality of the Kingdom of Belgium. The part in question was signed then only between the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Duchy of Luxembourg, and the Kingdom of Belgium.
Now, each article of the "Treaty between Belgium and the Netherlands" was not signed independently of each other, but as parts of one whole treaty. As such, any violation directly nullifies the entire treaty. The violation was committed by Belgium upon Article 7 of this treaty, which defines Belgium as an independent and neutral nation. Belgium did not observe neutrality with all nations and so rejects its independence. The breach has voided said treaty; therefore the entire of the treaty, as was defined, is illegal and invalid, including Article 6.
The actions of the Netherlands are thus valid, and the continued independence of a Belgian state is illegal.
Now, each article of the "Treaty between Belgium and the Netherlands" was not signed independently of each other, but as parts of one whole treaty. As such, any violation directly nullifies the entire treaty. The violation was committed by Belgium upon Article 7 of this treaty, which defines Belgium as an independent and neutral nation. Belgium did not observe neutrality with all nations and so rejects its independence. The breach has voided said treaty; therefore the entire of the treaty, as was defined, is illegal and invalid, including Article 6.
The actions of the Netherlands are thus valid, and the continued independence of a Belgian state is illegal.
Dissolution of Kingdom of Belgium
The Kingdom of the Netherlands, on behalf of the defunct Kingdom of Belgium, announces that the former Belgian territory no longer holds independence and must dissolve as a nation. Belgium has violated the Treaty of London of 1839, in which both its independence and neutrality were agreed upon. As Belgium has not upheld its promise of neutrality through its declaration of war, the entire treaty is rendered invalid, therefore its independence as a nation is invalid.
As such, the Netherlands shall hereby govern, as it had prior to the treaty, the provinces of Southern Brabant, Liege, Namur, Hainaut, West Flanders, East Flanders, Antwerp, and the entirety of Limburg. Furthermore, the portion of Luxembourg which was partitioned to Belgium shall be returned to the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. The East Cantons shall be returned to the Weimar Republic, the legal successors to the German Empire. The Congo territory shall be partitioned between powers to be concluded at a later date. The Kingdom of the Netherlands endorses the holding of a conference to discuss partition in the city of Luxembourg.
... Okay.
mayor
Heart & Mind
lurker's comment: I support the actions of The Netherlands. Also I'm tired of having to go to the subforum everytime I want to read this thread so I make this post 
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