Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[Thorvald of Lym]

So, to recap: After stating in no uncertain terms that the government would fight to the last man, the Roman Emperor has not only abandoned his countrymen at the eleventh hour, but fled not into exile within an allied country with any intention of re-establishing the state, but retired to cushy leadership of a completely unrelated country with which Germany is at war, after literally selling his office to the invader. Did someone say George I of China?

It is precisely this sort of spinelessness that had made us receptive to a Russian takeover, before the Soviets proved themselves conniving imperialists. That said, while Rome's name is now mud, we shall uphold our pledge until the invaders are expelled from Anatolia. Residual Roman forces that still know the meaning of honour and remain willing to fight for the freedom of their homeland will be warmly welcomed into resistance cadres armed and trained by the United Arab Army. Mercenaries that collude with the illegal RSSR will receive the traitor's deserts.

 

[Mathalamus]

So, to recap: After stating in no uncertain terms that the government would fight to the last man, the Roman Emperor has not only abandoned his countrymen at the eleventh hour, but fled not into exile within an allied country with any intention of re-establishing the state, but retired to cushy leadership of a completely unrelated country with which Germany is at war, after literally selling his office to the invader. Did someone say George I of China?

It is precisely this sort of spinelessness that had made us receptive to a Russian takeover, before the Soviets proved themselves conniving imperialists. That said, while Rome's name is now mud, we shall uphold our pledge until the invaders are expelled from Anatolia. Residual Roman forces that still know the meaning of honour and remain willing to fight for the freedom of their homeland will be warmly welcomed into resistance cadres armed and trained by the United Arab Army. Mercenaries that collude with the illegal RSSR will receive the traitor's deserts.

are you high? seriously, are you high? cause, how did you miss the intent of the surrender? how did you not miss that we lost not one, but two capital cities, and that resistance was useless by that point? how did you miss the fact that we saved a bunch of lives by surrendering?

you are misreading the posts. most of them. Basil I will not be leading Canada. he is retiring to a quiet life with an estate the TU helpfully provide him and his Embassy staff with. they will have no further role in this.

Germany is not at war against the TU. try again. we sold the office tot he Russians, because, hey, they are there anyway.

you are in the wrong here UAR. we surrendered to safeguard the Roman civilians from further death, and misery. something you will never understand.

if Damascus and Cairo was captured, and most of your country was under occupation, youd surrender too.

(OOC: your hostile comments do not endear myself to you. you are expected to be more understanding.)

 

[Tambien]

the Roman Emperor, just before leaving for America, has sold his imperial title, to the RSSR for a relatively small sum. the RSSR can then use said title to elect a new Emperor.

then he unilaterally declared that the RSSR is a legitimate soviet state, and that the war is over, the Russian Soviet Federation has won.

in the Roman Empire, Roman citizens are defecting to the RSSR. en masse. Germany will find that if they arrive there, they will not find more than a few scattered loyalists, and be met with a mostly hostile populous, because they would just be damaging Anatolia more and more.

eve if the war ends in status Quo, Rome will not survive as an independent nation, or even as a vassal. it would have to be annexed directly by Germany.

Unfortunately I find this whole "defection to the RSSR en masse" thing unlikely. You've spent several seasons making your populace hate the Russians and see them as oppressors. Please explain to me how them taking over the country and literally buying the government is going to endear Russia to thr Roman populace. Further, explain what makes every Roman who has fought tooth and nail to remain independent of Russia suddenly so willing and, in fact, ecstatic to accept and welcome Russian rule.

This entire post is a non sequitur.

 

[Tyo]

It is precisely this sort of spinelessness that had made us receptive to a Russian takeover, before the Soviets proved themselves conniving imperialists.

I'd like to ask the UAR what changed in the RSF that makes us "conniving imperialists" and what exactly the UAR would be doing differently from the RSF if it really did succeed in expelling our forces through cowardly chemical weapon tactics.

Unfortunately I find this whole "defection to the RSSR en masse" thing unlikely. You've spent several seasons making your populace hate the Russians and see them as oppressors. Please explain to me how them taking over the country and literally buying the government is going to endear Russia to thr Roman populace. Further, explain what makes every Roman who has fought tooth and nail to remain independent of Russia suddenly so willing and, in fact, ecstatic to accept and welcome Russian rule.

This entire post is a non sequitur.

Well for one, the RSF has spent those seasons feeding Romans and treating Roman injured indiscriminately when the Romans literally had no possibility of doing so and the allies made no attempt to provide such basic needs to even the Roman resistance. What do you think has more strength by now? The words of an Emperor that fled the country or the actions of said "evil invading force" that is providing the citizenry with basic needs?

 

[Double A]

Okay, Sone's not really telling me anything, so terrorism is back on the table. We also do guerrilla warfare, assassinations, and birthday parties.

 

[KaiserElectric]

Well for one, the RSF has spent those seasons feeding Romans and treating Roman injured indiscriminately when the Romans literally had no possibility of doing so and the allies made no attempt to provide such basic needs to even the Roman resistance. What do you think has more strength by now? The words of an Emperor that fled the country or the actions of said "evil invading force" that is providing the citizenry with basic needs?

You invaded their home and killed their friends and family in the army, you aren't going to win the hearts and minds of the people by giving them bread.

 

[Tyo]

When the alternative is dying of starvation, I think they are. Especially considering we gave the Empire ample incentive to lay down their arms.

Not to mention there are no reports of incredibly high casualty rates over this entire conflict.

 

[Tambien]

When the alternative is dying of starvation, I think they are. Especially considering we gave the Empire ample incentive to lay down their arms.

Not to mention there are no reports of incredibly high casualty rates over this entire conflict.

Please see: WW2 France

 

[Tyo]

http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm

 

[Tambien]

I was talking about that whole French Resistance thing that popped up when Germany occupied France and how happy the French were to see American liberators. Total deaths are not the only factor that determines how resistant people are to outside control.

 

[Tyo]

Things start to scew when you stop to consider the positions of those people before the war. France wasn't a starving, developing country with a heinous track record of military humiliation before world war 2. Just that a force is occupying doesn't mean they are necessarily hated by the masses.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

The Greater East Asian Republic henceforth recognizes the Roman Soviet Socialist Republic as the sole legitimate government of the mainland Roman peoples. Any attempt to, in any way, shape, or form, challenge the sovereignty of our new brothers in Revolution will be construed as a direct threat to the global Revolution, and thus the Republic, and will be met with according force.

Which, given the few and paltry threats against our glorious new comrades, does not make the usage of any real force likely at all.

k thanx bai

 

[Tyo]

We thank our allies in GEAR for defending the World Revolution like true comrades.

 

[Civ'ed]

Judging by the situation, the Roman socialist republic does appear to be legitimate, yes.

 

[KaiserElectric]

The Greater East Asian Republic henceforth recognizes the Roman Soviet Socialist Republic as the sole legitimate government of the mainland Roman peoples. Any attempt to, in any way, shape, or form, challenge the sovereignty of our new brothers in Revolution will be construed as a direct threat to the global Revolution, and thus the Republic, and will be met with according force.

Why would you make this claim right now? We're already at war with Russia and by proxy the Vichy Roman government they are supporting.

Well, so much for the Russian's lofty principles on saving the Roman people, you seem intent on bringing in so many parties that there won't be any Romans left to save.

 

[Tyo]

Why would you make this claim right now? We're already at war with Russia and by proxy the Vichy Roman government they are supporting.

Well, so much for the Russian's lofty principles on saving the Roman people, you seem intent on bringing in so many parties that there won't be any Romans left to save.

>Five party alliance
>2 PC Great Powers, 1 PC regional, 1 PC minor, 1 NPC minor
>Two party alliance
>1 PC Great Power, 1 NPC regional
>Unrelated PC voices support for Two-party alliance

Russia calling in way too many countries, this war is gonna take for freaking ever man

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

Why would you make this claim right now?

Because the former Roman government surrendered. It's the most opportune time of them all.

 

[Mathalamus]

Roman Emperor gets slapped back to his senses. literally.

Empress Claudia, after hearing the Roman Emperors previous statement, got very upset over the betrayal of Rome, and, obviously seeing that he was quite upset, decided to slap him out of his depression. literally.

the Roman Emperor, in a fit of extreme depression, as decided that all was lost and that he would sell the Crown to Russia, and run to the TU to live out his life in Alberta, now feels better. slightly.

the surrender is still valid. (OOC: dont want to be Rome anymore.)

but the Roman Emperor, and his staff, will settle in Germany instead. in Berlin, actually. and live out there in peace, free from the ravages of war.

and he will sell the crown to Empress Claudia, who will then be able to use her legitimacy to rule the Roman Empire under a Personal Union.

the Emperor hopes that Germany will forgive the Emperor for his, er, stupidity, and not think too badly of us.

Also, it appears, in the Roman Empire, not everyone was fooled by the Russians ploys to Feed the people. that means there are considerably more loyalists than the Emperor estimated. in fact, East Central and South Anatolia are almost completely loyalist, in nature.

with that fact brought to the Former Emperors attention, he cheered up and said this privately to his secretary, and he had it transmitted to loyalists in Constantinople:

Constantinople... Stay Strong. your liberation, by Germany, will come soon. welcome them as liberators. the Germans, who long ago destroyed the Western Empire, will save the Eastern.

ROME WILL RISE AGAIN....

 

[KaiserElectric]

Kaiserin, or Empress Claudia if you prefer, graciously accepts the crown and has sworn she will do everything in her power to protect the good people of Rome.

In addition, she'd like to apologize to the Emperor for slapping him, as it was a bit uncouth of her.

 

[christos200]

From: Thailand
To: World

Thailand does not recognize the Roman Imperial title of Miss Claudia, as it has already recognized the Roman Soviet Socialist Republic as the legitimate Roman government. We do not see how a coward Emperor who runs away from his country at the time of the greatest crisis and sells his crown is legitimate, and so we do not see how any of his actions, including the giving up of his crown to Miss Claudia, can be legitimate.