Improving my map of Greece

[Mongoloid Cow]

I got a lot enough cities for both I'll put the city lists in here...

Locria
Opos
Amphissa
Larymna
Thronion
Antikyra
Naupaktos
Thermopylai
Oeantheu
Knemides
Halai
Eupalion
Daphnos
Alope
Myonia
Erythrai
Tritaia
Phaistos
Makynia
Oeneon
Kynos
Chalaman
Seanphea

Phocis
Delphi
Elatea
Abai
Antikyra
Daulis
Echidamia
Kirrha
Stiris
Hyambolis
Tithronion
Panopios
Amphikaia
Lildea
Anemoria
Tythorea
Drymaia
Phlygonion
Opisthoramatos

Mycenae An extention of the earlier list
Mykenai
Tyrins
Medea
Pylos
Helike
Iolkos
Aigion
Patrai
Sikyon
Gerenia

 

[Kyriakos]

Locria should be either Lokris (dubious though) or Locrida. But not Locria

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

It is Locria in English

 

[Kyriakos]

We arent using english names though Otherwise it would have been Corinth, Opus, hocus pocus!!!

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

I don't know if the actual Civ names are going to be Greek too. It could make the adjectives, plurals and so forth of the Civ names difficult.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm, yes that is true.
I could provide those, but i dont think that the adjectives are so important, the civ name is though. Besides Athens is already called Athena, same goes for Korinthos and other city-states. It isnt my call though.

 

[MaisseArsouye]

There are mainly four people working on this, from four different countries and speaking four different languages : french, igreek, english and italian. I don't know the english names, you don't know the french ones,... the most neutral choice is the keep the original names. That's why I asked greek names. But if anybody wants to do his own version, he's free !

BTW, for my own, I will keep greek names but french adjectives.

@Varwnos : could you give me the greek adjectives, please ?

 

[Kyriakos]

ok (takes deep breath), btw the real adjective is tricky, because in greek it is different ijudgung on whether f it refers to plural or singular. athenian scientists: athenaioi. but athenian city: athenaike. so i dont know if it will really b meaningfull to have that, i suggest you ony go with the city name and perhaps the people's name.

1. Aetolia: Aetoloi (aetolians)
2. Aeolia: Aioleis
3. Argos: Argioi
4. Athenai: Athenaioi
5. Bithynia: Bithineis
6. Chalkidike: Chalkideis (same as the citizents of Chalkis, i cannot think of a different ending, not very sure)
7.Chersonesos: Chersonesioi
8.Dodekanesa: Dodekanesioi
9.Elis: Eliatai
10.Epiros: Epirotai
11.Euboia: Eubaeis (small possibility that it is Euboieis, or both. infavt im not sure about this)
12.Illyria: Illyrioi
13.Ionia: Ionai
14.Ithake: Ithakes
15.Karia:Karieis
16.Kerkyra: Kerkyraioi (but you can also use Phaiakai)
17. Korinthos: Korinthioi, small possibility that korinthieis was also used. Korinthioi is what is used today anyway
18.Krete: Kretai (Kretekoi being too modern)
19.Kyklades: Kykladeis, or kykladitai
20:Lokris: Lokroi
21:Lydia: Lydoi
22: Makedonia: Makedonai
23:Messenia: Messenioi (very small possibility that Messeneis was also used)
24.Mycenai: Mycenaioi
25hokis: Phokaeis
26:Sparte: Spartiatai (or lakedaimonioi ofcourse)
27:Thessalia: Thettaloi (ussually called that, Thessaloi also is good ofcourse)
28: Thevai-Boiteia: Thevaioi-Boioteis (i would go with just thevaioi)
29: Thrake: Thrakai
30:Troia: Troes

did i forget a civ, or are they 30?

 

[MaisseArsouye]

did i forget a civ, or are they 30?

You forgot Phrygia

What will it be ? Phrygioi ?

 

[Gagliaudo]

Just reading your good list, something has come in my mind...

1. Aetolia: Aetoloi (aetolians) Aitolia - Aitoloi ?
2. Aeolia: Aioleis ??? or Aioloi ?
5. Bithynia: Bythinoi or Bythinioi?
6. Chalkidike: (IMHO) Chalkidikoi
9.Elis: Elaioi ??
11.Euboia: Euboioi ?
14.Ithake: Ithakaioi ?? or Ithakeis?
15.Karia: Karioi
16.Kerkyra: Kerkyraioi (or Phaiakai)
17. Korinthos: Korinthioi
18.Krete: Kretaioi ??? maybe we could use "Minoikoi" or something similar
19.Kyklades: do you like "Nesiotai" or "Deloi/Delioi"??? it could be correct...
20:Lokris: Lokroi ??? Lokreis??? must control...
21:Lydia: ? Lydioi
22: Makedonia: maybe Makedones (sing: Makedon)
23:Messenia: Messenioi or Messenoi?
24.Mykenai: Mykenaioi ("k" > "c")
25hokis: Phokaioi ?
26:Sparte: Spartiatai (or lakedaimonioi) ??? or Lakedaimonoi (can't recall)
27:Thessalia: (I prefer) Thessaloi , but Thettaloi is the same correct
28: Thebai-Boiotia: Thebaioi-Boiotai (ancient Greek wants "b" instead of modern "v", cause v=digamma was lost in classical Grrek alphabet )
29: Thrake: Thrakes (sing: Thrax)
30:Troia: ?Troiaioi? really dunno! maybe could use homeric "Dardanoi"

 

[Kyriakos]

Phrygia: Phrygai

@Gagliaudo: you dont really mean the adjectives, do you? since your list is closer to the names of the people. the adjectives have other forms, and ussually end in -ikon (singular) and -ika (plural).
as for the -es ending, it is the ame as the -ai ending, just that the -ai is more archaic. So Makedones=Makedonai etc. I used -es for Troes, because it sounds better imo

 

[Gagliaudo]

@Gagliaudo: you dont really mean the adjectives, do you? since your list is closer to the names of the people. the adjectives have other forms, and ussually end in -ikon (singular) and -ika (plural).
as for the -es ending, it is the ame as the -ai ending, just that the -ai is more archaic. So Makedones=Makedonai etc. I used -es for Troes, because it sounds better imo

Yes, of course , I mean the peoples' names, taking base from your earlier post:

ok (takes deep breath), btw the real adjective is tricky, because in greek it is different ijudgung on whether f it refers to plural or singular. athenian scientists: athenaioi. but athenian city: athenaike. so i dont know if it will really b meaningfull to have that, i suggest you ony go with the city name and perhaps the people's name.

 

[MaisseArsouye]

I just edited post#1. I found names for every civs !!!!

It was quite easy for great leaders. I just had to search kings. It was more difficult for scientific leaders. There are philosophers, scholars and architects but also poets, writers and priests

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm, are Theiresias and Kalhas in? Kalhas probably is Theban (well he appears in the theban circle anyway)
They were both "sages", ie they were said to have been able to read omens etc. Theiresias iirc is mentioned by Homer(Homeros).
They werent philosophers or scientists, but if you need to fill a list they may be usefull.

 

[MaisseArsouye]

I just uploaded version 2.0g

I changed cultural groups to match my Greek City Graphics Pack.

For version 2.1, I need maps of ressources in Greece

"g" means "greek". Names are in their greek version. Feel free to make another version and share it with us. I can place it the first post of the original thread.

 

[Gagliaudo]

Theiresias is Beotian, I think Theban...
KALCHAS dunno..., but IIRC he was in Homeric cycle, dunno if in theban one too...

 

[Kyriakos]

Perhaps i am confusing the two? i thought that Kalhas was the one appearing in the Bachae (Vakxai), as the friend of Pentheas's father.

 

[Gagliaudo]

Now you write this, I think this is right... I was forgetting the "Bachai" (? we italian call them "Baccanti", latin "Bacchantes"). I remember there was a Kal(c?)has, he was a kind of prophet like Theiresias... if not, he probably is another person, and we talk about two different characters !

 

[Kyriakos]

No, that is the one