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In passing ... Civ6 in China?

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Abaxial, Oct 14, 2020.

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  1. Villager720

    Villager720 Warlord

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    Im suspicious of this claim.

    The Chinese government definitely has a long and storied history of denying hard truths, the nation of Mongolia is literally their northern border. When Chinese kids ask about Mongolia, that country right above them, will they just ignore the question? "Here be dragons."?
    What about Japan? Britain?
    I just can't see them going this far over something they just can't possibly pretend into non-existence.
     
  2. LoneRebel

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    LOL. Never change, Chinese goverment.
     
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  3. Kwami

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  4. Victoria

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    To be fair, tearing down statues is also a monumental disaster ATM.

    Is a civ with no monuments and transgender generals on the cards also?

    If history is not for learning lessons and showing a growth of maturity in humanity then have we grown at all?
     
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  5. Disgustipated

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    Perhaps this is true, but the simple fact is Western civilization (especially the United States) is on the way down, where China is on the way up. Soon they will be the world's only superpower. It's unrealistic to say companies should not do business with China.
     
  6. Tech Osen

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    It's simply too big a market to ignore.
     
  7. 679x

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    Removing statues is sometimes less of a matter of censoring/erasing history and more about changing what we celebrate. If we're talking about people destroying a statue on public property, that's a problem no matter whether you support the statues themselves or not because that's a legal issue. But, if you're referring to Confederate statues in the United States being torn down: is it not actually showing growth of humanity? Many people want to remove the statues as part of a process of growth & maturity of humanity, because humanity is trying to move on from the ideals celebrated by Confederate statues. The statues honour and glorify racist and undemocratic ideals and individuals, and taking them down represents a shift away from those ideals, because humanity has (hopefully) learned the lesson and is showing growth of maturity. I don't think anyone is trying to say that the individuals, ideas, etc. represented by the statues should be censored or forgotten; the people who want the statues gone can be the most vocal in teaching about the part of history they represent, because they are trying to either A: teach about why it was wrong, or B: simply teach about it in general, and let people determine for themselves how they feel about it (though this could lead to it being glorified by people today, as in the white supremacy prevalent in American society, which brings up another issue about the Confederate statues and whether they glorify and support modern white supremacy)

    Do you think we should still glorify those Confederate leaders with statues honouring them? Or do you just want them to not be erased from the history books? I think the majority of people who disagree with the former will agree with the latter.

    I also don't understand the comment about 'transgender generals' and wonder if it's meant to be some jab against the movement of supporting trans rights, i.e. not at all welcome or relevant.
     
  8. Kwami

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    To be fair to what? Are you trying to defend the CCP by comparing them to activists tearing down CSA statues, as if those two things were in any way at all comparable? I'll ignore the nonsensical comment about transgender generals.

    Looks, let's stay on topic. The CCP is trying to pretend that Mongolia and Genghis Khan didn't exist. That's relevant to a game that contains both of those things. I don't think we need to talk about status, transgender rights, or whether American is in decline. None of that matters here.
     
  9. Archon_Wing

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    Confederate statues are a special case, and if you didn't live in America, you may not be privy to the details-- I actually wasn't either. But most were built not after the Civil War but during the era of Jim Crow as a means of intimidation, not celebrating history at all. And then they made their way into states that were never even part of the Confederacy. So let's not talk about such a localized historical thing.

    But I don't think Victoria was really referring to that exclusively. There are many countries in the world that are out to destroy cultural heritage, and the CCP has certainly been a big culprit, and has been trying to destroy traditional cultures all around. But that's just typical of regimes such as that.

    One needs to remember China is a very diverse country, and the concept of Chinese is much more broad than it may seem to others. I mean it is more than a billion people! Heck, a lot the dialects of Chinese are often mutually unintelligible! Which makes forcing one concept of being Chinese and wiping all other bits of history out the more repugnant.
     
  10. LoneRebel

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    Hmm. That remains to be seen.
     
  11. Victoria

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    @Kwami @679x I am a Center left person. By all means tear down a highly offensive statue to many but it becomes excessive and an action oft done in the moment without weight and understanding. I get that Firaxis honour and rebalance the impact of women in history with positive discrimination, I more than applaud it, I say it is needed. But I am merely saying it has to be done with some balance or you turn off the people you are intending to turn on. I do think Firaxis has done well in this. Any press is good press when it comes to transgenders which many still feel uncomfortable with and such comments are often misconstrued by many including those that make their own inflammatory comments from time to time. I am fine with that, As long as the message gets out and my flippancy can be seen as good or bad but ultimately it is discussed.
    Just don’t be the cancel culture or you become another version of China and have not grown at all. Neither of you seem such I must add.

    My comments were on topic though. Vampires are just one of the things invading this game and I was saying in a way people would listen that there is a limit.
     
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  12. Lord Lakely

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    lol if China are going to ban Civ for including the Mongols, Firaxis might as well just add the Tibetans as a playable civ. Not like the Chinese would sell the game anyway. The best way to respond to oppressive censorship is flippant reactionism :)
     
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    You make it seem like China has zero problems while America has tones. Need I remind you about Hong Kong and covid? Also what about courption?

    And Taiwan while at it!
     
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