Industrial and later Building/Unit Costs

@ls612

X40 = 160

National Wonders = x3 (480)
World Wonders = x8 (1280)

Chivalry
WW
- Blarney Castle = 600

Education
- University = 240
- Salon = 350
- Law School = 220
WW
- Brihadeewarar Temple = 720
- Palace of Portala = 720
- Dosan Swowon = 475
- Blue Mosque = 600
- Sultan Qaboos Grand Mosque = 500
- Oxford University = 480
 
@ls612

X41 = 180

National Wonders = x3 (540)
World Wonders = x8 (1440)

Tournaments
Jousting Tournament = 260
NW
- Kings Tournament = 400
WW
- Field of the Cloth of Gold = 660

Clockpunk
- Automation Clock = 110
- Orchestron Theater = 180
- Step Reckoner Manufactory = 225
- Clockwork Workshop = 125

Acoustics
WW
- Bach's Cathedral = 660

Compass
- Commercial Port = 240

Algebra
WW
- The Great Mosque of Djenne = 600

Anatomy
- Anthropology Lab = 300
- Doctor's Office = 165

I will stop here until Vokarya put up the new Renaissance tech tree order.
 
@DH

Maybe because we had enought wonders with big game impact and we dont want make game even easier for leading civ? (human players in most cases)
 
@DH

Maybe because we had enought wonders with big game impact and we dont want make game even easier for leading civ? (human players in most cases)

<rant on>There was a decision to make National Wonders with a real world name Great Wonders instead. If they are going t do that the they need to make them worthy of being a Great Wonder and make National Wonders that do what the old ones did since they were balanced as National Wonders.<rant off>
 
@Hydro: OK, here are my thoughts. Make sure to check who owns what, I can't remember all of it, but I'll try my best.

X35:

Seminary and Church School should go down to 150 a piece, while Gallows, Civil Service School, Archery Range, and Servants Quarters should be bumped. Ditto for all Castle sub-buildings, but the Castle itself can remain more expensive. For Wonders, all of the WWs need significant increases, but the NWs are good it seems.

X36:

First of all, the Apostolic Palace is a special Wonder, so it should cost more, say 1500. The Gambling Hall and Terrace need increases, while the Hand Pump and the Great Chinapa should be reduced to 150 each. Otherwise this one is good.

X37:

For this one, basically all of the WWs and the Surveyors Office need changes.

X38:

For normal buildings here, the biggest culprits are the Artesian Well, the Optometrist, and especially the Paper Maker. Again, all of the WWs are too cheap and need increases. You'll notice this more as we go down the tree, I'm trying to make building a Wonder of the World a more monumental undertaking, I hope you don't disagree with that philosophy.

X39:

Normal buildings are Town Clock, Rendering Plant, and Castle Garden, although that one can be a bit cheaper (120 or so). Again, the WWs are the main culprits here.

X40:

Salon should definitely come down to 200 in cost. Other than that, the only changes necessary are to the WWs.

X41:

All four Clockpunk buildings should be increased to cost 200, as they are alt-timeline. Otherwise only the WWs need any change.

Note that for the WWs many either belong to DH or Vokarya, so I'd like their input on those as well.
 
You'll notice this more as we go down the tree, I'm trying to make building a Wonder of the World a more monumental undertaking, I hope you don't disagree with that philosophy.

I agree with this. A NW should be about the same cost as a cathedral or the other way round a cathedral should cost as much as a NW.

One thing to be aware of - not all buildings appear on the tech tree. Especially the religion ones. The Druid and Shaman major buildings require two of the lower buildings so there was no need to put a tech requirement on them. The Andean ones have no tech requirements because Andean used to be so far down the tech tree that any would be superfluous. I am thinking that with the changes to religions perhaps some could move onto the new techs. i will have a look.
 
I agree with this. A NW should be about the same cost as a cathedral or the other way round a cathedral should cost as much as a NW.

One thing to be aware of - not all buildings appear on the tech tree. Especially the religion ones. The Druid and Shaman major buildings require two of the lower buildings so there was no need to put a tech requirement on them. The Andean ones have no tech requirements because Andean used to be so far down the tech tree that any would be superfluous. I am thinking that with the changes to religions perhaps some could move onto the new techs. i will have a look.

Those ones are earlier than the changes start. Basically any Religion buildings from Christianity on need adjustments, but nothing before.
 
<rant on>There was a decision to make National Wonders with a real world name Great Wonders instead. If they are going t do that the they need to make them worthy of being a Great Wonder and make National Wonders that do what the old ones did since they were balanced as National Wonders.<rant off>

If you want a "Major University" as a national wonder we could make one. However Oxford should be a WW and not a NW.
 
Ok so I did all of X35 except fo the following wonders ...

- Holy See Library
- El Camino de Santiago
- Seti Pir
- Matusmoto Castle
- Topkapi Palace

If these are yours please adjust their cost.

EDIT: Here are the ones for X37 ...

- Hellsmouth Sanctuary
- Alamut
- Scarborough Faire
- Troyes Trade Fair
- Shaolin Temple

EDIT2: Here are the ones for X38 ...

- St Mark's Basilica

EDIT3: Here are the ones for X39 ...

- Machu Picchu

EDIT4: Here are the ones for X40 ...

- Blarney Castle
- Brihadeewarar Temple
- Palace of Portala
- Dosan Swowon
- Blue Mosque
- Sultan Qaboos Grand Mosque

EDIT5: Here are the ones for X41 ...

- Kings Tournament
- Field of the Cloth of Gold
- The Great Mosque of Djenne
 
@Hydro:

Once Vokarya commits his Renaissance stuff can you post the buildings for that era please? Remember that we have to get through X100 (!) in buildings before next weekend, otherwise the release will get delayed, which would be bad. I'm about halfway through units now, so I should have those done by next week in time for the release.
 
I will try. You could always help out too by listing say the Industrial era. I think I am starting to get a cold, so I am not feeling that great. Thus I could use any help you could give to help get this done.

I need to finish units first, I'll see how fast I can do that.
 
@ls612

X42 = 190

National Wonders = x3 (570)
World Wonders = x8 (1520)

Gunpowder
- Cannon Turret = 200
- Bombard Tower = 200
- Cannon Forge = 140
WW
- Veieian Arsenal = 1020

Oil Painting
- NONE

Political Philosophy
NW
- House of Parliament = 350

Printing Press
- Printer's Workshop = 60
- Billboards = 50
- Book Store = 200

Calculus
- NONE

Astronomy
- Observatory = 360
WW
- Copernicus' Observatory = 660
 
@ls612

X43 = 200

National Wonders = x3 (600)
World Wonders = x8 (1600)

Matchlock
- Highwayman's Hideout = 160
- Gunsmith = 280

Metallurgy
- Star Fort = 225
- Foundry = 250

Divine Right
WW
- Versailles = 960
- The Temple of Heaven = 660
- The Spiral Minaret = 660
- Alhambra = 720
- The Great Mosque of the Desert = 500
- El Escorial = 800

Humanism
- NONE

Physics
- Physics Lab = 250
- Water Tower = 150
WW
- Isaac Newton's College = 720

Astrolabe
- NONE

Weather Forecasting
- NONE
 
@ls612

X44 = 220

National Wonders = x3 (660)
World Wonders = x8 (1760)

Critical Thought
- Revivalist Church = 105

Free Artistry
- Artist Colony = 180
- Art Patron = 250
- Art Gallery = 150
WW
- Globe Theater = 360

Justprudence
- Guillotine = 160
- District Courthouse = 360
NW
- Supreme Courthouse = 480

Team Sports
- Minor League Stadium = 450
- Recreation Center = 210
- Bunch of Sports Fields = 250

Hot Air Balloon
- NONE
 
@ls612

X45 = 230

National Wonders = x3 (690)
World Wonders = x8 (1840)

Sikhism
- NONE

Naval Cannons
- Pirate's Cove = 160
WW
- East India Company = 1450

Chemistry
- Modern Warehouse = 355
- Farm Supply = 300
- Chemistry Lab = 250
- Modern Embalmer = 40
NW
- Bureau of Farm Management = 850

Leadership
- Garrison = 180
- Guard Dog Trainer = 25

Navigation
- Marina = 180
WW
- Magellan's Voyage = 1020
 
@ls612

X46 = 250

National Wonders = x3 (750)
World Wonders = x8 (2000)

Liberalism
NW
- National Library Service = 500
WP
- Encyclopedia = 2200

Flintlock
- NONE

Gas Lighting
- NONE

Scientific Method
- Museum = 235
NW
- National Science Foundation = 600
WW
- Louvre Museum = 850

Dueling
- Fencing Academy = 175
- Boxing Ring = 150

Sextant
- NONE

Mercantilism
NW
- Central Bank = 480
 
@ls612

X47 = 260

National Wonders = x3 (780)
World Wonders = x8 (2080)

Social Contract
- Tax Office = 50
- Workhouse = 155
- Post Office = 100
- Metropolitan Administration = 820

Explosives
- Landmines = 110
NW
- Filling Factory = 300 (perhaps this should be made into a normal building)

Geology
- Geology Lab = 400

Cavalry Tactics
- Modern Stables = 260
- Animal Race Track = 260
- Rodeo = 200

Economics
- Customs Office = 216
- Hotel = 180
- Free Port = 240
- Family Farm = 250
- Waste Exportation Office = 300
WW
- Feitoria = 416
- Adam Smith Trading Company = 1020
 
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