Moai_Spammer
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atleast until russia spawns
Interesting Times - The AI Side of RFC
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CFCoasters
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That's because all of the barbarians have focused on Rome and the Celts, rather than moving into Greek lands. The Greeks have had a nice little time, without barbs or Romans constantly getting in their way.
Moai_Spammer
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another example of ai stupidity, rome didn't attack greece
mrrandomplayer
Hopeless Situation Warrior
In Vanilla RFC, Rome never usually expands beyond France and occasionally Spain. In DoC (an awesome modmod of RFC), Rome gets conquerors to help them conquer the entire Mediterranean and make room for the Byzantines.
Moai_Spammer
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in the hands of a human its incredibly overpowered, but thats why i love it! 
mrrandomplayer
Hopeless Situation Warrior
In DoC, Praets get +25% vs. Axemen as well. A little broken if you ask me, especially coming from a near-exclusive Ancient Era player.
CFCoasters
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in the hands of a human its incredibly overpowered, but thats why i love it!
If you think about it, every civ has the potential to be overpowered when under the control of a human.
mrrandomplayer
Hopeless Situation Warrior
That's why I like playing as criminally underrated civs, such as Egypt, Babylon, or Tamils, because it shows that those civs are abusable as well.
Moai_Spammer
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all civs can be considered abusable: even in vanilla bts: fast workers chopping a forest that lets you barley win the wonder race:highly experienced camel archers withdrawing... its all about the circumstance, love your tamil stories btw 
Moai_Spammer
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well... really only in human hands
CFCoasters
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And welcome back!
As the European kingdoms begin to arrive onto the world scene, it is time to look back at the world since we began, from the birth of Japan until now. As in the first update, we'll go country by country and explain the rise (and fall) of each nation.
We will start with Japan itself. When we began, Japan was a nation with only the capital, Kyoto, and a small military to defend it:
However, with the Sea of Japan preventing the barbarians that devastated so much of the world from reaching it, Japan has been slowly expanding over time, and now looks like this:
In addition, I am about to expand into Hokkaido, though I am not sure exactly what city I should create yet. I did delay my settler to decide. Anyone who wants to can advise me on where to settle Hokkaido.
Now onto China. As China was a nation that arrived to the world before Japan, we don't know what it looked like before Japan arrived, but when Japan did arrive, China looked like this:
However, having also largely avoided the barbarians (who have focused on Europe, Africa, and Central Asia), China has grown into a behemoth:
Having the world's largest nation and an infrastructure that has come a long way from when we first met them, China is currently the world's strongest nation, and is also first in score (Japan is currently second). And before you ask any questions, yes, that is a new city in NW China, I simply forgot to add its founding to the previous update.
Continuing on to Southeast Asia, we come to the newer Khmer Empire, which originated in the jungles of Cambodia, but now has expanded into Vietnam, and now looks like this:
The Khmer Empire is so new that it hasn't had much time to prove itself. However, with behemoth China just to the north, we'll see how they do in the future.
Moving on to India, we also don't know what it originally looked like, but when we started, India looked like this:
India has had some problems from barbarian war elephants to the south, but India didn't suffer much from them. They have made sure to deal with them quickly and efficiently, and now India looks like this:
India is not very powerful, but having dealt with their barbarian problem, India hasn't had much need to be, because of the fact that Persia has been so weak.
Speaking of which, now we continue on to Persia. By the time Japan settled Kyoto, the Persians had expanded out of their capital Parsa to have three cities:
However, history has not been kind to the Persian Empire, as after they conquered independent Samarkand, they have been plagued by inconclusive wars with Babylon and barbarian attacks from Central Asia and the Arabian peninsula, one of which annihilated their westernmost city of Shush. The country, far from being the empire that Cyrus the Great aspired it to be, currently looks like this:
We continue on to Babylon, which is one of the world's oldest civilizations. Having dominated the Middle East for thousands of years, the country has had enemies ever since Persia arrived on the world stage. When we began, Babylon looked like this:
Despite two wars with Persia and countless conflicts with both barbarians and independent Jerusalem (which Babylon never managed to conquer), the country had been doing all right until a new enemy arrived: the Arabs. The Arabs, with Islam to unite them and Camel Archers to propel them, succeeded where Babylon failed and conquered Jerusalem, and have also taken Babylonian Sur. The Babylonians and Arabs are now fighting for control of the Middle East, with the final outcome still in question.
At the moment, Arabia has the momentum, but Babylon, having had a 3700-year history of conflict, has amassed a large (though outdated) army and is ready to use it against the Arabs. If they can hold on, the Fertile Crescent will remain theirs for the foreseeable future, but if capital Babili falls, who knows what will happen?
And that's it for this update. As Asia still has the majority of the world's nations, I have seperated this update into two, and the next one will feature the nations of Africa, Europe, and the Americas. Stay tuned!
As the European kingdoms begin to arrive onto the world scene, it is time to look back at the world since we began, from the birth of Japan until now. As in the first update, we'll go country by country and explain the rise (and fall) of each nation.
We will start with Japan itself. When we began, Japan was a nation with only the capital, Kyoto, and a small military to defend it:
However, with the Sea of Japan preventing the barbarians that devastated so much of the world from reaching it, Japan has been slowly expanding over time, and now looks like this:
In addition, I am about to expand into Hokkaido, though I am not sure exactly what city I should create yet. I did delay my settler to decide. Anyone who wants to can advise me on where to settle Hokkaido.
Now onto China. As China was a nation that arrived to the world before Japan, we don't know what it looked like before Japan arrived, but when Japan did arrive, China looked like this:
However, having also largely avoided the barbarians (who have focused on Europe, Africa, and Central Asia), China has grown into a behemoth:
Having the world's largest nation and an infrastructure that has come a long way from when we first met them, China is currently the world's strongest nation, and is also first in score (Japan is currently second). And before you ask any questions, yes, that is a new city in NW China, I simply forgot to add its founding to the previous update.
Continuing on to Southeast Asia, we come to the newer Khmer Empire, which originated in the jungles of Cambodia, but now has expanded into Vietnam, and now looks like this:
The Khmer Empire is so new that it hasn't had much time to prove itself. However, with behemoth China just to the north, we'll see how they do in the future.
Moving on to India, we also don't know what it originally looked like, but when we started, India looked like this:
India has had some problems from barbarian war elephants to the south, but India didn't suffer much from them. They have made sure to deal with them quickly and efficiently, and now India looks like this:
India is not very powerful, but having dealt with their barbarian problem, India hasn't had much need to be, because of the fact that Persia has been so weak.
Speaking of which, now we continue on to Persia. By the time Japan settled Kyoto, the Persians had expanded out of their capital Parsa to have three cities:
However, history has not been kind to the Persian Empire, as after they conquered independent Samarkand, they have been plagued by inconclusive wars with Babylon and barbarian attacks from Central Asia and the Arabian peninsula, one of which annihilated their westernmost city of Shush. The country, far from being the empire that Cyrus the Great aspired it to be, currently looks like this:
We continue on to Babylon, which is one of the world's oldest civilizations. Having dominated the Middle East for thousands of years, the country has had enemies ever since Persia arrived on the world stage. When we began, Babylon looked like this:
Despite two wars with Persia and countless conflicts with both barbarians and independent Jerusalem (which Babylon never managed to conquer), the country had been doing all right until a new enemy arrived: the Arabs. The Arabs, with Islam to unite them and Camel Archers to propel them, succeeded where Babylon failed and conquered Jerusalem, and have also taken Babylonian Sur. The Babylonians and Arabs are now fighting for control of the Middle East, with the final outcome still in question.
At the moment, Arabia has the momentum, but Babylon, having had a 3700-year history of conflict, has amassed a large (though outdated) army and is ready to use it against the Arabs. If they can hold on, the Fertile Crescent will remain theirs for the foreseeable future, but if capital Babili falls, who knows what will happen?
And that's it for this update. As Asia still has the majority of the world's nations, I have seperated this update into two, and the next one will feature the nations of Africa, Europe, and the Americas. Stay tuned!
Moai_Spammer
Ave, True to Caesar!
large and outdated armies are nothing, a stack of cuirs and cats deal with them (this is definitely NOT a hint of what happens to china in my story 
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christos200
Never tell me the odds
East Asia is much better than the rest of the world. They have many cities and have not been affected by the Barbs.
Moai_Spammer
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you know what they say, never start a land war in Asia
mrrandomplayer
Hopeless Situation Warrior
In Japan, you usually want 3 cities total for maximum efficiency. The first one is Tokyo, which on that map is 1N of Edo, the second one is 2S of Kyoto (no overlap with Tokyo), and the 3rd one 2N of the Dye. It gets all of the resources (except for the second fish and the whale) and has NO overlap.
Moai_Spammer
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wait, you can fit 3 towns on japan with NO overlap,I didn't think it was possible 
CFCoasters
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And I have returned!
In the last update, I gave you a review of the situation for the nations in Asia, from Japan to Arabia. Now, it is time to do the same for the nations of the rest of the world.
NOTE: Since they just spawned, this review will not include Spain, but will include the rest of the civilizations.
We'll start off in the birthplace of humanity, Africa. The nations of Africa have had a hard time, and for proof, you need not look any further than Egypt. When our game first began, Egypt was a respectable nation, looking like this:
At their height, the Egpytians also controlled Per-Wadjet, as well as Kumma to the south, making them Africa's largest nation. However, recent times have not been kind to them, as over the years, Egypt was beset by barbarian hordes from all over Africa. Despite holding the barbarians off for a while, by the time Kumma was razed to the ground, it was clear that Egypt was past its prime. The sacking of the capital of Niwt-Rst signalled the end for the empire, and now the once glorious nation is divided into three:
Things have not been any easier for Egypt's neighbor to the south, Ethiopia. First arriving in the world some 2,700 years after Egypt, the nation of Ethiopia was initially a peaceful nation, having settled into the Horn of Africa:
Eventually, Ethiopia was attacked by many of the same people that eventually overran Egypt. However, these poor men, having their strength sapped by an unwinnable war against Egypt and unable to raise an adequate army for themselves, Ethiopian leader Zara Yaqob was forced to hire thousands of mercenaries to defend his small nation. However, Ethiopia was as poor as it was weak, and when it inevitably ran out of money to pay the mercs, the country was left defenseless, and most of it was overrun by hostile tribes. Only Aksum survived, and in the midst of the invasion, Ethiopia promptly collapsed at about the same time Egypt did. What remains now is now a shadow of its former (still inglorious) self:
Moving on the shores of modern-day Tunisia, we find the nation of Carthage:
Formed by Phoenician traders looking for a base of operations in the western Mediterranean, the Carthaginians soon built a small, but economically powerful empire in northern Africa. However, they have come into conflict with the rising nation of Rome. The resulting Punic Wars went nowhere, since the Carthaginians weren't interested in war and the Romans didn't have enough of a navy to challenge Carthage on the high seas. Of all of the nations in Africa, Carthage has been the luckiest, with barbarian attacks never being stronger than the occasional raid, and Rome has been too focused on its own continent to worry about Africa. Currently, Carthage looks like this:
Moving on from Africa, we continue to the plains and forests of Europe. Europe has traditionally been dominated by three people: the Greeks, Romans, and Celts. However, each of these nations has had different fates since the beginning of time. Starting off with Greece, this nation, when we started off, was of a relatively small size, with only two major cities - Athens and Byzantion:
However, the Greeks have expanded quite a ways since the times of the B.C. era, and now dominate a large portion of eastern Europe:
Having had none of the barbarian problems that Rome, the Celts, the Persians, or the Egyptians or Ethiopians have had, the Greek League, while not the largest empire in the world, has had ample time to expand and now dominate affairs on the Black Sea.
Moving west, we head onto what was arguably the most famous real-world empire in history - the Romans. When we first started, the Romans were just starting out, but had spread throughout the Italian peninsula:
The Romans goal was to spread their nation far enough to control the entire Mediterranean, but fortune did not favor them this time, as stronger than expected Celtic armies, combined with large barbarian hordes from Iberia and Germania resulted in the Roman Empire being in a rather sorry state today:
With Lugdunum destined to fall to the French in a few turns, Rome is about to fall back to its roots in Italia. What's worse is the fact that if the Romans fail to defend Mediolanum, the Eternal City will be on the front lines of Rome's fight for survival. Only time will tell if the Roman people will survive.
Going even further west, the arrive in the hotly contested region of Gaul. This region, known as France today, has long been dominated by the Celtic people. At the Celts height, they dominated all of Gaul, had three major cities (Lugodunon, Burdigala, and Lutetia. However, despite the Celts giving it their all, their nation, though not completely conquered by the Romans, was fatally wounded by the Romans, who took Lugodunon and renamed it Lugdunum. The rest of Celtic lands suffered an even worse fate, being overwhelmed by barbarians coming out of Iberia and had their entire nation wiped out. Now, the only surviving Celts live on in exile in the hills of Scotland.
Moving across the Atlantic, we come across our final nation - the Mayan Empire. The Mayans are based out of the Yucatan peninsula in what is today southern Mexico. Today, they control all of southern Mexico, and look like this:
The Mayans, have the unfortunate distinction of being history's most boring nation so far. Only two cities settled, no other nation in their entire part of the world, and the only invaders come from occasional raids by Native Americans. Fortunately, the arrival of the Aztecs aren't that far off, and things should get more interesting from there. One thing should be said, though. They haven't been in serious danger of collapse, which is more than can be said for many other nations in the old world.
And our look back is done. Next update, we'll start time again, and witness the arrival of the European kingdoms, as well as see the fates of both Babylon and Rome. Stay tuned!
In the last update, I gave you a review of the situation for the nations in Asia, from Japan to Arabia. Now, it is time to do the same for the nations of the rest of the world.
NOTE: Since they just spawned, this review will not include Spain, but will include the rest of the civilizations.
We'll start off in the birthplace of humanity, Africa. The nations of Africa have had a hard time, and for proof, you need not look any further than Egypt. When our game first began, Egypt was a respectable nation, looking like this:
At their height, the Egpytians also controlled Per-Wadjet, as well as Kumma to the south, making them Africa's largest nation. However, recent times have not been kind to them, as over the years, Egypt was beset by barbarian hordes from all over Africa. Despite holding the barbarians off for a while, by the time Kumma was razed to the ground, it was clear that Egypt was past its prime. The sacking of the capital of Niwt-Rst signalled the end for the empire, and now the once glorious nation is divided into three:
Things have not been any easier for Egypt's neighbor to the south, Ethiopia. First arriving in the world some 2,700 years after Egypt, the nation of Ethiopia was initially a peaceful nation, having settled into the Horn of Africa:
Eventually, Ethiopia was attacked by many of the same people that eventually overran Egypt. However, these poor men, having their strength sapped by an unwinnable war against Egypt and unable to raise an adequate army for themselves, Ethiopian leader Zara Yaqob was forced to hire thousands of mercenaries to defend his small nation. However, Ethiopia was as poor as it was weak, and when it inevitably ran out of money to pay the mercs, the country was left defenseless, and most of it was overrun by hostile tribes. Only Aksum survived, and in the midst of the invasion, Ethiopia promptly collapsed at about the same time Egypt did. What remains now is now a shadow of its former (still inglorious) self:
Moving on the shores of modern-day Tunisia, we find the nation of Carthage:
Formed by Phoenician traders looking for a base of operations in the western Mediterranean, the Carthaginians soon built a small, but economically powerful empire in northern Africa. However, they have come into conflict with the rising nation of Rome. The resulting Punic Wars went nowhere, since the Carthaginians weren't interested in war and the Romans didn't have enough of a navy to challenge Carthage on the high seas. Of all of the nations in Africa, Carthage has been the luckiest, with barbarian attacks never being stronger than the occasional raid, and Rome has been too focused on its own continent to worry about Africa. Currently, Carthage looks like this:
Moving on from Africa, we continue to the plains and forests of Europe. Europe has traditionally been dominated by three people: the Greeks, Romans, and Celts. However, each of these nations has had different fates since the beginning of time. Starting off with Greece, this nation, when we started off, was of a relatively small size, with only two major cities - Athens and Byzantion:
However, the Greeks have expanded quite a ways since the times of the B.C. era, and now dominate a large portion of eastern Europe:
Having had none of the barbarian problems that Rome, the Celts, the Persians, or the Egyptians or Ethiopians have had, the Greek League, while not the largest empire in the world, has had ample time to expand and now dominate affairs on the Black Sea.
Moving west, we head onto what was arguably the most famous real-world empire in history - the Romans. When we first started, the Romans were just starting out, but had spread throughout the Italian peninsula:
The Romans goal was to spread their nation far enough to control the entire Mediterranean, but fortune did not favor them this time, as stronger than expected Celtic armies, combined with large barbarian hordes from Iberia and Germania resulted in the Roman Empire being in a rather sorry state today:
With Lugdunum destined to fall to the French in a few turns, Rome is about to fall back to its roots in Italia. What's worse is the fact that if the Romans fail to defend Mediolanum, the Eternal City will be on the front lines of Rome's fight for survival. Only time will tell if the Roman people will survive.
Going even further west, the arrive in the hotly contested region of Gaul. This region, known as France today, has long been dominated by the Celtic people. At the Celts height, they dominated all of Gaul, had three major cities (Lugodunon, Burdigala, and Lutetia. However, despite the Celts giving it their all, their nation, though not completely conquered by the Romans, was fatally wounded by the Romans, who took Lugodunon and renamed it Lugdunum. The rest of Celtic lands suffered an even worse fate, being overwhelmed by barbarians coming out of Iberia and had their entire nation wiped out. Now, the only surviving Celts live on in exile in the hills of Scotland.
Moving across the Atlantic, we come across our final nation - the Mayan Empire. The Mayans are based out of the Yucatan peninsula in what is today southern Mexico. Today, they control all of southern Mexico, and look like this:
The Mayans, have the unfortunate distinction of being history's most boring nation so far. Only two cities settled, no other nation in their entire part of the world, and the only invaders come from occasional raids by Native Americans. Fortunately, the arrival of the Aztecs aren't that far off, and things should get more interesting from there. One thing should be said, though. They haven't been in serious danger of collapse, which is more than can be said for many other nations in the old world.
And our look back is done. Next update, we'll start time again, and witness the arrival of the European kingdoms, as well as see the fates of both Babylon and Rome. Stay tuned!
mrrandomplayer
Hopeless Situation Warrior
Yay! Hopefully, the euros will be more interesting, AKA seeing who gets the massive barb stack and conquers Europe.
CFCoasters
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So far, the barbs have been making the most of their soldiers. They've already torched two Roman cities, and they're going to torch Mediolanum, too, unless the Romans either reinforce it or get a miracle.
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