IOT Developmental Thread
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Yeah, but that modern one sucks (no offense TF). I wanted to see a modern one that was developed by the community over time rather than by someone with an afternoon free.
GhostWriter16
Deity
I would change that to, "Is less good."
Tan wanted to make a total dictatorship. I don't think that's the best way. Joecoolyo wanted to make a total democracy. I don't think that's the best way either. I reserve judgments on which one is better.
What I want to see is a form of Republic system, a few fundamental rules that have been here for a long time, such as modern IOT, No Nukes, some sort of claiming system (No offense Mad Man) and SOME ability to wage war, (And probably a small handful of others) Should be a rock that is unchanged in all IOT games (Well, except Thorvald's, but that's just for fun
)Then, make SPECIFIC rules, such as HOW to do combat, HOW to do claims, HOW to do the map, exc, should be debated.
Before you ask, I see the circular logic in this because we'd then have to vote on the acceptability of this, which kinda makes it circular, but I think the leaders of this thing, particularly Joecoolyo, should take command of this thing and organize it. Most of the rules would be democratically decided, but if you let all rules be democratically decided.
For instance, if we did Athenian Democracy (Thank Goodness we didn't
) here's what would happen.Group of Nine Nations go to war with group of 10 nations.
10 Nations: We should start voting these guys out so we can win
10 Weeks later: Oh Cool we win!
Some things cannot be democratically decided. Some can. I think the leaders of the game should have made this judgment beforehand (Not one person, but several intelligent ones who know how IOT works, for instance, I'd nominate all the former GMs plus Joecoolyo and Taillesskangaru to hammer the thing out.)
Of course, we seem to have a path set for IOT V so I'm gonna take a stab of a chance and try and put THIS IDEA UP FOR VOTE no matter how ironic it is. If it falls, IOT V may well be rough. I'll still join and see how it goes pretty much no matter what, however, in the words of James Madison (I think it was him)
"Democracy never lasts long it soon wastes, exausts, and murders itself."
Assuming my idea falls, as it probably will, I hope if IOTV falls it will be considered for IOT VI.
Thoughts?
@D3K: Not sure what you're trying to say here. As I understand it, essentially you want some "core" IOT values which cannot be altered.
We already have a No Nukes rule in place, I don't think anyone's disputing that. Most people support a claiming system as voted, and I don't think anyone's going to deny that war's a part of the game, we just want to control it a bit so we don't get a world war every second day. As for modern IOT, well, it appears some of us do want to try a medieval game.
Speaking of which, POLLING IS CLOSED. I'll just tally up the results now.
We already have a No Nukes rule in place, I don't think anyone's disputing that. Most people support a claiming system as voted, and I don't think anyone's going to deny that war's a part of the game, we just want to control it a bit so we don't get a world war every second day. As for modern IOT, well, it appears some of us do want to try a medieval game.
Speaking of which, POLLING IS CLOSED. I'll just tally up the results now.
Omega124
Challenging Fate
What? Medieval lost by one vote? Too close for my tastes, I demand a recount.
EDIT: Whoops, looked at Modern by accident. Still, I want a recount.
EDIT: Whoops, looked at Modern by accident. Still, I want a recount.
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
im fine with it but whats the true definition of it? is ti just after Constantinople was conquered (the beginning of the Renaissance) or just before the industrial revolution?
Omega124
Challenging Fate
That's actually debatle. Granted, that's a pretty popular theory, but two extremely other popular theories are the New World being discovered, and the end of the 30 Years War (execpt for Franco-Spanish part). Heck, New York advocates the end was even before Constantinople, the end of the 100 Years War (Not saying that I belive it
).I've gone through it twice. If you want another recount, it'll have to be DIY
Alright, now we'll have to decide on... everything else about the game.
Two things first:
- The map: first of all, any suggestions? Someone suggested the Victoria map earlier, I think that'd be perfect with some modifications (perhaps merge some provinces to make them bigger, with labels?). Also, whichever map we used I'd like to assign values to the provinces so less productive provinces costs less points to claim than more productive ones.
- Time scale: Since travel during the Renaissance is rather slow, I propose that a turn = 1 - 3 years. We could even start with 1 turn = 5 years and then slow the game down as we near the industrial age (maybe 1 turn = 2 years around AD1700 and then 1 turn = 1 year around AD1800).
Edit: I'm thinking AD1500, though I suppose we won't be dealing with actual historical states, we'll make up our own like in other IOTs. It'd be like a fantasy Earth with Renaissance tech.
Alright, now we'll have to decide on... everything else about the game.
Two things first:
- The map: first of all, any suggestions? Someone suggested the Victoria map earlier, I think that'd be perfect with some modifications (perhaps merge some provinces to make them bigger, with labels?). Also, whichever map we used I'd like to assign values to the provinces so less productive provinces costs less points to claim than more productive ones.
- Time scale: Since travel during the Renaissance is rather slow, I propose that a turn = 1 - 3 years. We could even start with 1 turn = 5 years and then slow the game down as we near the industrial age (maybe 1 turn = 2 years around AD1700 and then 1 turn = 1 year around AD1800).
Edit: I'm thinking AD1500, though I suppose we won't be dealing with actual historical states, we'll make up our own like in other IOTs. It'd be like a fantasy Earth with Renaissance tech.
Mad Man
Your lord and master
Classical:0
Medieval:3
Renaissance:2
Industrial:1
Modern:4
sorry I'm late
Medieval:3
Renaissance:2
Industrial:1
Modern:4
sorry I'm late
GhostWriter16
Deity
The vote's over
That's not right.
Nobody gave Taillesskangaru the right to say that.
I vote that Mad Man's vote count.
You can't just arbitrarily not count votes that are "Late."
Ugh!
This changes everything.
I want modern, and Mad Man's vote would get us there
Joecoolyo, you started this thing, it is your decision and yours alone.
EDIT: He was only 90 Minutes late, if you deny his vote, you are denying the democracy you love so much.
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
in democracy, one does not extend a voting period for a person. it slows things down.
GhostWriter16
Deity
This is complicated. Maybe its just my bias for a modern game.
However, he got the vote in, so count it.
Actually, I already objected to the nature of the vote anyway. It goes against the tenants of IOT.
IOT is a modern game, IOT should not be anything else.
We shouldn't even be voting on this.
This is the "Official" IOT, IOT II isn't, therefore it should be modern.
If this fails, I'll still play, however I ask someone to start "IOT VI" with the same rules as this IOT, or similar, except Modern."
Omega124
Challenging Fate
Don't count his vote, please! Modern will win if you do. Now, if he's willing to swap Medieval with Modern, on the other hand...
GhostWriter16
Deity
That would be even worse.
I think we have to vote on this, a vote whether to count his vote. Its said, but since we chose Democracy, its the only way.
To prevent confusion, no other votes would be counted no matter what. We are given precisely 24 Hours to decide, and ANYONE (Including Mad Man, including his opponents) can vote.
I vote that his vote counts.
PS: I am actually being serious, its the only way at this point.
Omega124
Challenging Fate
I vote no.
Actually, if you count his vote, Mediaeval/Renaissance/Modern are all tied (which I'm sure was deliberate). Tailless started the vote and he has the right to end it. If democracy is only worthwhile when you're winning, that's called populism.
