Irony, thou art named...

[bhsup]

Palestinians formally join International Criminal Court

The Palestinians have formally joined the International Criminal Court (ICC), a key step towards being able to pursue Israelis for alleged war crimes.

Guarantee you within 90 days some little girl is probably gonna be blown up on her way to school in Israel.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Just because one side is committing war crimes doesn't mean the other side is automatically innocent of such wrongdoing.

 

[Kyriakos]

Palestinians formally join International Criminal Court



Guarantee you within 90 days some little girl is probably gonna be blown up on her way to school in Israel.

You do realise that the Int court did not need Palestine to accuse Israel of war crimes, right?

 

[Tahuti]

This has April fools written all over it.

Just because one side is committing war crimes doesn't mean the other side is automatically innocent of such wrongdoing.

Why are the Palestinians worse off than the Israelis? You hardly see Israelis resenting the Palestinians, yet nearly every Palestinian resents the Israelis. What I see are not Israelis oppressing Palestinians, but Israelis outperforming Palestinians, economically, culturally and technologically.

This glorification of the Palestinian cause among Western academia is culturally toxic for the West, in the same way it already poisoned the Arab world. It gives a signal that it good for nations to be self-righteous, self-pitying and blame other nations that are in a fundamentally better position for their own situation, when they in fact do have the power to advance, as long as they respect other nations that manage to do better for themselves.

This is what is fundamentally lacking among the Palestinians, who seem to be driven by jealousy for Israel's achievements, and the consequences of which are that they are put in a state of perpetual ruin. Had the Palestinians shown industriousness instead of resentment, they could have created a very wealthy state with a great degree of autonomy, in spite of Israel's military dominance.

 

[warpus]

Guarantee you Israeli settlers are going to be dicks, demolish an existing property, steal land, yell racist slurs, all before that little girl gets blown up.

There are dicks on both sides of the conflicts here.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Guarantee you Israeli settlers are going to be dicks, demolish an existing property, steal land, yell racist slurs, all before that little girl gets blown up.

There are dicks on both sides of the conflicts here.

You're breaking character. Had me confused there for a while

 

[Traitorfish]

Guarantee you within 90 days some little girl is probably gonna be blown up on her way to school in Israel.

Well, you understand that there's a difference between the State of Palestine and individual Palestinians, yes? If the State of Palestine is responsible for the actions of proponents of Palestinian independence, then the Republic of Ireland is responsible for the actions of the IRA, which I don't think you'd find reflected in the international standing or foreign relations of that country.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Why are the Palestinians worse off than the Israelis?

Was this directed at me? Because it's not what I said in my post.

You're breaking character. Had me confused there for a while

Ditto.

 

[Tahuti]

State of Palestine =/= Palestinians.

Who are 'the Palestinians' in this case? The Palestinian National Authority? The PLO?

Was this directed at me? Because it's not what I said in my post.

Well, you said something about how war crimes can be committed by both sides. I responded by arguing that it is ultimately a useless metric for judging which nation is right. I perhaps worded my previous post too strongly, given how my positions are strongly subjective as well. However, ultimately, support for one country over another is for most part a matter of personal values. I'd rather not live like a Palestinian (by which I do not mean the circumstances in which they live in, but rather how they choose to react with these circumstances), so naturally, I don't support the Palestinian position.

 

[bathsheba666]

Given how the Israelis choose to react to these circumstances: 'namely if an Israeli dies - or even if they haven't if there's a chance they might - then ensure 40 Palestinians die', then naturally I don't see how supporting the Israeli position is preferable.

 

[Tahuti]

Given how the Israelis choose to react to these circumstances: 'namely if an Israeli dies - or even if they haven't if there's a chance they might - then ensure 40 Palestinians die', then naturally I don't see how supporting the Israeli position is preferable.

Because the Israeli sense of self-worth is much greater than that of the Palestinians. Just remember how they were prepared to release one soldier for thousands of their own.

 

[classical_hero]

Given how the Israelis choose to react to these circumstances: 'namely if an Israeli dies - or even if they haven't if there's a chance they might - then ensure 40 Palestinians die', then naturally I don't see how supporting the Israeli position is preferable.

How about not firing weapons into Israel then? You do realise that is an act of war and has to defended against. Israel has built numerous bomb shelters, where are them in Gaza? Instead Hamas built terror tunnels with what resources they had. Basiclly no on has given a responce of what Israel is to do without just sitting there and taking it. I wonder how people feel about Arab nation attacking the Houthi rebels in spite not one attack on their soil by the rebels. Double standard much?

 

[Traitorfish]

Who are 'the Palestinians' in this case? The Palestinian National Authority? The PLO?

The article omits that detail, strangely, but in either case, it's unlikely to refer to Hamas or Hezbollah.

Because the Israeli sense of self-worth is much greater than that of the Palestinians.

That's what he said: Israelis seem to value themselves against Palestinians at a rate of 1:40. To many observers, that puts their self-worth into the category of "dangerously inflated".

 

[Tahuti]

The article omits that detail, strangely, but in either case, it's unlikely to refer to Hamas or Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not even Palestinian.

 

[El_Machinae]

Getting the ICC towards legitimacy is an important step in making the world better

 

[JollyRoger]

Isn't pursuing criminals for their crimes in court better than taking matters into your own hands? Seems like a constructive move.

 

[Kozmos]

Getting the ICC towards legitimacy is an important step in making the world better

ICC is and will remain a bad joke. The only way it would make sense if you removed all governments but one.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

I responded by arguing that it is ultimately a useless metric for judging which nation is right.

I wasn't concerned with who could be "judged as right", I was addressing the implication that it is ridiculous for the Palestinians to accuse Israelis of war crimes.

 

[Tahuti]

That's what he said: Israelis seem to value themselves against Palestinians at a rate of 1:40. To many observers, that puts their self-worth into the category of "dangerously inflated".

It's actually the other way around: The Palestinians seem fairly content at trading one soldier for thousands of their own, and don't do anything to keep casualties on their side low either. So the very source of Palestinian resentment against Israel is the fact that Palestinians seem to acknowledge Israel's view of them. Essentially, a losers mentality.

 

[classical_hero]

Which leader do we talk to? Khaled Meshoal or Mahmoud Abbas? Considering that Abbas is now into his 12th year of a 4 year term, something is amiss.