Is Chicago's handgun ban working?

[Tassadar]

Yoshi,

1.- No she is not violent, she look like a pit-bull but have the labrador caracter, the best dog i ever know. But she love cookie so be ready for an affection assault if you got some and your a friend.


2.- Lets say, my dog start barking at 4:00 am i then hear strange noise like forcing window, or forcing my front door, i then have plenty of time to scare them BEFORE they are in my house.

3.- And if they realy came with charged gun better me have one too. i dont want to know what will happen to me if i act like a sitting duck insteed.

 

[Yoshimune]

I edited my last post after you already posted.

A barking dog is probably a better thief repellent than a gun, anyways.

 

[thestonesfan]

Not as good as you have a gun AND you bark like a dog!

 

[Speedo]

If the guy in the example had looked around a little better he'd have been fine. Fairly typical example of target fixation. He should have swept the room and engaged the immediate threat, or if there were no threats (guns pointing his way) attempted to apprehend the criminals. Unless he made noise like a stampede coming down, he had to stand there a good while (several seconds) to get shot, because joe average criminal isn't going to have someone covering the stairs, they're going to be looting.

 

[CrazyScientist]

I seem to recall reading that for every intruder shot by gun owners in this country, something like 16-19 gun owners accidentally shoot a family member.
This is the main reason why I feel owning a gun to protect yourself and your family is a bad idea. You are nearly 20 times more likely to do harm than good.
That said, I still support the 2nd amendment. Anyone willing to take that risk should be allowed to. Laws should not exist to protect us from our own stupidity, just the stupidity of others.

 

[phoenix_night]

Originally posted by DamnCommie
Laws should not exist to protect us from our own stupidity, just the stupidity of others.

They aren't supposed to protect anybody from stupidity, rather to protect against violent criminals.

 

[Stapel]

Originally posted by Tassadar


3.- And if they realy came with charged gun better me have one too. i dont want to know what will happen to me if i act like a sitting duck insteed.

That is the point! Statistics show that sitting ducks have a higher survival rate than gun owners. Rather loose your life or your pride?

I fail to bring evidence for this, but it was an american investigation from a couple of years ago! It was translated and printed in a Dutch newspaper after a terrible shooting incident, somewhere on your side of the Atlantic.

Another thing: The same investigation showed that most gun owners think:
Right, some of us gun-owners get killed when facing action, but not me, for the following reasons:
-I am a skilled marksman
-I now how to shoot a deer
-I served in the military
-I did follow a seld defense course
-I own a dog (this one is not from the investigation, but something Im added myself )

 

[Stapel]

Originally posted by Speedo
If the guy in the example had looked around a little better he'd have been fine. Fairly typical example of target fixation. He should have swept the room and engaged the immediate threat, or if there were no threats (guns pointing his way) attempted to apprehend the criminals. Unless he made noise like a stampede coming down, he had to stand there a good while (several seconds) to get shot, because joe average criminal isn't going to have someone covering the stairs, they're going to be looting.

An example is just an example! Statistics show that survival chances increase, when not having a gun!

Joe Average Criminal may not cover the stairs. But Joe Average Victim ain't no trained police officer either. If this mr. Joe A. Victim is this experienced, he would indeed have swept the room and engaged the immediate threat, or if there were no threats (guns pointing his way) attempted to apprehend the criminals.

 

[Tassadar]

I will tell you then what will happen to the sitting duck according to what happened.


You will be hit, then asked to give credit card,bank account number, then they may kill you or tie you up until the had completly empty your $$$ account. If you have a teenage daughter or a nice pretty women then rape may happen. You never know whom you are facing in those situation.

I only want to have a fair chance to defend myselfe and a shot gun at home is the basic kit with a dog, infra-red detector with auto-aiming laser ok, ok ok a little bit too far.

you cant do to criminal, you have to do

 

[Yoshimune]

Originally posted by Stapel

Joe Average Criminal may not cover the stairs. But Joe Average Victim ain't no trained police officer either. If this mr. Joe A. Victim is this experienced, he would indeed have swept the room and engaged the immediate threat, or if there were no threats (guns pointing his way) attempted to apprehend the criminals.

You'd better hope Joe A. Criminal doesn't play Counter Strike in his spare time...

 

[Cimbri]

Originally posted by Yoshimune


You'd better hope Joe A. Criminal doesn't play Counter Strike in his spare time...

Then mr. Joe A. Criminal would be jumping around with his shotgun, crying 'new map', 'new map'? I think this might help the victim.

 

[Speedo]

Originally posted by Cimbri
Then mr. Joe A. Criminal would be jumping around with his shotgun, crying 'new map', 'new map'? I think this might help the victim.

Completely OT, but: http://www.volvo-power.net/videos/funny/howtoplaycs.WMV

 

[Immortal]

OMG! aimbot! u r a cheater!

LAG!! LAGG!!!

 

[Neomega]

Originally posted by bigfatron

What I find VERY disturbing is that a proponent of gun freedom could apparently take pleasure in the death of seven innocents because he feels it strengthens his argument in favour of arms-bearing.

To me, there is only one amendment more important than the second, and that's the first.

I think every person who thinks it is right to take a piece of peoples lives away because they have a problem with spirngs, chemicals, metal tubes, lead, and hammers deserves nothing short of having their own freedoms taken away.

So do I take pleasure in the deaths? Did I even say that? No. So you can take those words back out of my mouth, that you placed just to make your own little argument sound good.

I take pleasure in seeing the gun control argument fail miserably. Now how about a refund to all the people who have been fined and sent to jail for asserting their second amendment right?

 

[phoenix_night]

Originally posted by Neomega
To me, there is only one amendment more important than the second, and that's the first.

I think every person who thinks it is right to take a piece of peoples lives away because they have a problem with spirngs, chemicals, metal tubes, lead, and hammers deserves nothing short of having their own freedoms taken away.

What about people who lose their lives because of it? The people who lose everything?

And it's a bit of a waste of time to try and downplay guns when you've already provided a link to a news story telling of 7 deaths because of one.

 

[Neomega]

Originally posted by phoenix_night

And it's a bit of a waste of time to try and downplay guns when you've already provided a link to a news story telling of 7 deaths because of one.

let me add to the end of that quote.... person. The gun didn't do anything. Niether did the gun ban. Except perhaps leave law abiding citizens defenseless.

 

[phoenix_night]

The gun was the murder weapon. Of course it did something. It killed.

Handing out more guns hardly seems the solution.

 

[Neomega]

Originally posted by phoenix_night
The gun was the murder weapon. Of course it did something. It killed.

Handing out more guns hardly seems the solution.

Handing out guns. Very nice. Apparently you think I am advocating weapons for tots. Enjoy beating up that straw man.

A gun killed eh? Since when did guns earn the title of being councious, intelligent, and emotional, emotional enough to get angry at it's owner's co-workers, somehow manage it's little trigger onto a steering wheel so it could drive itself over to where it's owner used to work, and then aim itself and start firing at people apparanelty it had a problem with?

 

[Ethics]

The gun was the murder weapon. Of course it did something. It killed.

Hopefully then, the gun will take responsibility and let this Tapia fella off the hook.

Tapia has been arrested 12 times, Cline said. He has an arrest record dating back to 1989, including counts of domestic battery, gun violations, aggravated assault and driving while intoxicated.

"The problem here is easy access to a firearm," Cline told reporters. "Here is someone who never should have had a gun that had a gun."

Sounds like the problem was a man whos a nutball criminal.

 

[phoenix_night]

Guns never reached that stage. People did. Why allow them the weapons to act upon these emotions?

[@Neomega]