Is it possible we get a Classic Mode for Civ VII?

[thecrazyscot]

Glad you like it. I hate it. And, I want the people involved with making the decisions to go this direction to not be involved going forward.

Do you really think that's an appropriate reaction?

 

[bv98132454]

Do you really think that's an appropriate reaction?

Yes. I hate the decisions they have made with this game's development and I have no confidence in this team. Reassign them, fire them, I don't particularly care, I just don't want them developing a Civilization game.

 

[pokiehl]

Yes. I hate the decisions they have made with this game's development and I have no confidence in this team. Reassign them, fire them, I don't particularly care, I just don't want them developing a Civilization game.

Somehow I doubt your strange personal enmity towards people you’ve never met in your life makes them more likely to reflect upon your feedback.

Criticism should be leveled at the game itself, not the human beings behind it.

 

[bv98132454]

Somehow I doubt your personal enmity towards them makes them more likely to reflect upon your feedback.

Criticism should be leveled at the game itself, not the human beings behind it.

It's not personal. I'm criticizing the development decisions they have made and those decisions give me zero confidence that they are the correct people to lead this franchise going forward. A new team is required.

 

[Trengilly]

I could see them adding an option to just keep your civ for the duration of the game instead of swapping, but I don't think they will make it so that you could play later-age civs in antiquity.

They won't do this

Each Civ is specially designed for the specific Age it appears in. Custom units, a custom Age specific Civics tree, abilities and rules that all apply to just that Age.

To keep Egypt for the entire game they would need to make two new Egypt Civs. A new Exploration Age Egypt civ with all its unique abilities, and a Modern Age Egypt Civ.

Sure it's possible . . . but an insane amount of work when they ALREADY have 'historical' upgrade civ paths that they want you to use.

 

[Professor Phobo]

By contrast, that they are willing to take a risk like that is the single biggest source of confidence I have in the game. A caretaker crew could have added navigable rivers and some bits and bobs, called it a day, but it'd be Civ 6.5.

I am I tad unusual in how I rate games, though. I feel like most people have the logical hierarchy of: interesting success > uninteresting success > interesting failure > uninteresting failure. For me, I definitely want to see interesting successes first and interesting failures second. Taking a big swing for the seventh entry in the series shows there's a genuine design impulse, and I'm always happier to support a genuine design impulse - even if it ultimately fails - than some design by committee fan service project.

Someone wants to take an idea from another game that wasn't well received and iterate on it. That's interesting; they think they can succeed where Humankind failed. There's a creative ambition there I can respect.

 

[thecrazyscot]

Yes. I hate the decisions they have made with this game's development and I have no confidence in this team. Reassign them, fire them, I don't particularly care, I just don't want them developing a Civilization game.

When a game franchise I love goes in a direction I don't care for that's a sign for me to move on or simply stick with the iterations I love. I don't wish professional harm upon the developers - and in every case if I'm not the market there's someone else who is. I'm glad they enjoy it even if it's not for me.

Maybe you should take a step back?

 

[bv98132454]

When a game franchise I love goes in a direction I don't care for that's a sign for me to move on or simply stick with the iterations I love. I don't wish professional harm upon the developers - and in every case if I'm not the market there's someone else who is. I'm glad they enjoy it even if it's not for me.

Maybe you should take a step back?

Nope. I'm not going to coddle grown adults. They understand the consequences of poor business decisions, as millions of other people deal with every single day.

 

[pokiehl]

When a game franchise I love goes in a direction I don't care for that's a sign for me to move on or simply stick with the iterations I love. I don't wish professional harm upon the developers - and in every case if I'm not the market there's someone else who is. I'm glad they enjoy it even if it's not for me.

Maybe you should take a step back?

I remember when you made a thread about why you lost interest in Civ and potentially saw yourself never coming back to the series. It was a thoughtful reflection and analysis of the trends and ideas in the series and in Civ 6 specifically.

Notably absent from your post was rage or any calls for people to lose their jobs.

 

[TheGrayFox]

Weird language man. “Punish them.” “See the light.” It’s a videogame. The people making it don’t need to be attacked.

I happen to like the changes, and I’ve preordered the Founder’s edition 4 times already as gifts for my Civ friend group, all of whom actually are really excited.

So you may think they need to “see the light” but plenty others think they’re right on track.

If you like the what the devs showcased that is, that is great for you, I hope you enjoy the game but the langauge here is not weird when we are talking about a capitalist media product like a video game

but if we don't like a piece of media or product being sold to us especially one some of us have been fans of for decades than the truest way of showing its creators we don't like something would be vocal complaints and withholding our money and that is a punishment for corporations not meeting our expectations.

 

[bv98132454]

If you like the what the devs showcased that is, that is great for you, I hope you enjoy the game but the langauge here is not weird when we are talking about a capitalist media product like a video game

but if we don't like a piece of media or product being sold to us than the truest way of showing its creators we don't like something would be vocal complaints and withholding giving them money and that is a punishment for corporations not meeting our expectations.

Yep. For example: I'm a big Star Trek fan. There's been a lot of bad Star Trek made over the past decade, mostly by Alex Kurtzman. I don't wish him harm, but I don't want him anywhere near a Star Trek script, set, casting call, etc. He can keep working at Paramount, I don't care. But, I don't want him anywhere near Star Trek, ever.

That's how I feel about this team. They can keep making games, that's fine with me. Never want them near Civilization ever again.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

When a game franchise I love goes in a direction I don't care for that's a sign for me to move on or simply stick with the iterations I love. I don't wish professional harm upon the developers - and in every case if I'm not the market there's someone else who is. I'm glad they enjoy it even if it's not for me.

I do want to say that I'm not a big fan of the changes that they've made either. But I agree with your statement that there's no need to wish anything bad on the developers. Some of them did work on my favorite iteration, Civ 6, that I'll still continue to play for a while now.

 

[TheGrayFox]

Yep. For example: I'm a big Star Trek fan. There's been a lot of bad Star Trek made over the past decade, mostly by Alex Kurtzman. I don't wish him harm, but I don't want him anywhere near a Star Trek script, set, casting call, etc. He can keep working at Paramount, I don't care. But, I don't want him anywhere near Star Trek, ever.

That's how I feel about this team. They can keep making games, that's fine with me. Never want them near Civilization ever again.

I'll be fair, I respect Ed Beach for his work on Civ 5's expansions and I thought the game design (outside of the AI who can't actually play the game) for 6 was great but I'm not quietly sit back as a consumer while he and his current team fundamentally shake up the very core of the Civilization series in a way I completely disagree with and have no interest in and then have others chastise me for being vocal about the fact that I'm not going to give this product money

 

[acluewithout]

It’s almost end-August 2024. Game comes out February 2025. FXS aren’t changing Civ swapping or Ages.

But I could totally see some changes or extra
options around look & feel. eg options to tweak a Civ’s presentation to help players keep more name / visual consistency. There’s some interviews where FXS have started talking about changing your Civ’s
‘Culture’ instead of changing the actual Civ.

 

[Professor Phobo]

I'm just happy to be getting another Civilization game, you know?

They can shake things up every iteration and I'll at least give it a try. I bounced of Civ 6, but that's just life, it's more important they experiment than it is to just repeat the same thing again.

I'm sure there's some level of tinkering I wouldn't accept, like the game becomes a two button rhythm game where you just press "War" or "Peace", but it's hard to see Firaxis making that.

 

[thecrazyscot]

Nope. I'm not going to coddle grown adults. They understand the consequences of poor business decisions, as millions of other people deal with every single day.

Who says it's a poor business decision?

For now, I can certainly say that as someone who was (as pok referenced above) pretty certain the franchise was no longer for me, my interest is dramatically reinvigorated by the design choices. I'm more excited about civ right now than I have been in years.

I have no idea if it will all come together. I'm sure even if it does there are going to be some rough edges. But golly, I want to see what happens with it. You won't buy it? Ok - I probably will, and I wasn't before, so net even I guess

Vote with your wallet? Of course, absolutely, 100%. That is what 2K and Firaxis will be measuring.

 

[Paisley_Trees]

They said you can play and win the game within just ONE era - so if you limit yourself to 1/3 the game, you can pick whomever you'd like. I'm not sure if you'd find that satisfactory enough?

 

[TheGrayFox]

Who says it's a poor business decision?

The consumers who buy and consume and critique a product ultimately do.

Vote with your wallet? Of course, absolutely, 100%. That is what 2K and Firaxis will be measuring.

Again if you like how these changes sounds, we're not insulting you or telling you not to buy the game but for the people who don't like these changes (which seems to be quite the number of us) vocal criticism and not giving its devolopment team our money is the only recourse. I don't know why're you're taking offense on the devolopers behalf or pretending these subjective criticisms of their devolopment of a media product that is ultimately meant to be sold and consumed (at a hefty $70 with day 1 dlc at that) is a personal attack. You have to remember the Civilization series has been a significant part of many of our lives. Many of us longer than Ed Beach and his team have been working on Civilization.

 

[Quintillus]

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[thecrazyscot]

The consumers who buy and consume and critique a product ultimately do.

Duh. I was asking how anyone can possibly know if it's a poor business decision yet. None of us do and we will only get a sense of it in 2025, so yelling about how this is a poor business decision right now is pure fantasy. We all live in a late-stage capitalist society together - we get it.

Again if you like how these changes sounds, we're not insulting you or telling you not to buy the game but for the people who don't like these changes (which seems to be quite the number of us) vocal criticism and not giving its devolopment team our money is the only recourse. I don't know why're you're taking offense on the devolopers behalf or pretending these subjective criticisms of their devolopment of a media product that is ultimately meant to be sold and consumed (at a hefty $70 with day 1 dlc at that) is a personal attack.

Nah. Seems like you don't really understand the difference between constructive criticism and screaming in someone's face. There's lots of constructive criticism on this forum about what people are seeing. Don't you see that the people who are calmly saying "I don't like this and here's why" or "This doesn't really make sense" are generating thoughtful discussions?

Yeah, I do take offense when someone is pushing for people to get fired because they disagree with the design choices of a video game.

You have to remember the Civilization series has been a significant part of many of our lives. Many of us longer than Ed Beach and his team have been working on Civilization.

Irrelevant. I've been playing the franchise for 28 years, so that argument holds no water with me.