GhostWriter16
Deity
I'm surprised you'd say that, since current trends signal an increase in what you consider to be socialism.
As far as population. We are definitely in trouble in America in other ways. But lets not get off topic.
I'm surprised you'd say that, since current trends signal an increase in what you consider to be socialism.
@Narz:
The types you refer to are simply too enclosed in their bubble to understand the problem - which is that what we call the modern globalized economy is in fact a giant Ponzi scheme.
What is growth? Where does growth come from? Well, from population growth, mostly. You need more people in every subsequent generation to buy more stuff so that you can employ more people, manufacture more, sell more, and earn more. If population stabilized, maintaining the illusion of perpetual GDP growth of 3% and more would become impossible. The very core of our economic mentality is based on the idea that growth occurs every year, the more the better, and if the economy doesn't grow fast enough, it's bad. Ergo, population must grow so that our economy can grow and the economic-political elites can maintain their prestige. Who cares that we can't possibly maintain this forever? Long-term planning isn't exactly the main concern these days, in case you haven't noticed that yet. After us, the deluge. Better scare people with crap like "but if our population stops growing, there will soon be too many elderly and our economy will collapse" Like if there was no solution to this problem other than perpetual population growth.
GDP growth also comes from innovation.
As long as innovation continues there is no reason why GDP will not continues to grow when the population stabilises subject to resources.
Both of you should stop using the term "ponzi scheme"
With idiots like these getting degrees, how can we change anything?![]()
I am just listening to radio where a demographer is saying that we should celebrate more people, and the real threat is population decline and increase in the median age. She calls those who warn against overpopulation "conspiracy theorists".
With idiots like these getting degrees, how can we change anything?![]()
Conspiracy is overdoing it. But population getting smaller and older is a real threat that will bite us pretty soon - in decades. It will be more hurtful than environmental problems in the short term, assuming no The Day After Tomorrow catastrophes.
Yes, that's most likely true given past trends, however what will be the planet's total population and their consumptions of resources when the population growth will decline globally?It doesn't matter what she thinks. Population growth is going to naturally decline as development increases. The European trend is a natural trend, it's not enforced by political might. It's what people are choosing to do.
I completely agree with you on this.What's really necessary is an economic/political model that can create decent economic growth without an increasing population. This is something that needs to actually be created, because too many people are assuming the natural trends are sufficient, even though they rely on rising population.
Why? We have 7B now, and things are fine...
Our problems today are not related to overpopulation, they are generally related to human nature...Assuming we live on the same planet, we must be speaking different languages.
Our problems today are not related to overpopulation, they are generally related to human nature...
War, etc were still existing when we only had 1B...
No, it absolutely isn't due to overpopulation. It is way more complicated than that! Good grief.Seriously?
Overpopulation is the main reason sub-Saharan Africa is a cesspit, overpopulation is what makes vast majority of Indian people miserable, overpopulation is the reason why the environment is being ruined, overpopulation is the reason why resources that could have lasted for centuries are being exhausted today, overpopulation is the reason why we're unable to effectively deal with diseases, poverty, lack of education, social inequality, etc. etc. etc. etc.
See the article in my other thread (7 billionth nail...).
I don't really think the fact that an ageing population will come with its own set of challenges negates overpopulation being a concern as well. The focus should be on sustainable population. If you take it to the extreme, stopping having babies completely, whilst being a solution to overpopulation, would not fit in with sustainable population anymore than ramping up the birth rate would. Solving both problems is hard, but we shouldn't just look at a problem of ageing as meaning that overpopulation isn't a concern, because they aren't mutually exclusive dilemmas at all.
Seriously?
Overpopulation is the main reason sub-Saharan Africa is a cesspit, overpopulation is what makes vast majority of Indian people miserable, overpopulation is the reason why the environment is being ruined, overpopulation is the reason why resources that could have lasted for centuries are being exhausted today, overpopulation is the reason why we're unable to effectively deal with diseases, poverty, lack of education, social inequality, etc. etc. etc. etc.
See the article in my other thread (7 billionth nail...).