Which is one reason I've built my own for several years, now....
Is there a windows emulator?
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Chairman Meow
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That works for a desktop computer, but for a laptop it's a bit more of a challenge.
cthom
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unless you like challenges
i'd still insist on my choice of os in a laptop. i can see a lot of second hand and very good pc's appearing on ebay and such like quite soon.
Eh? I've activated my 64-bit copy Vista Ultimate 64-bit a number of times already, and have all the ultimate extras available. AFAIK (although I try and keep up to date, I may have missed something recently), there still isn't any easy way to accomplish the same thing without a legit copy.
Even if there were, it doesn't make it right to steal a copy, if someone doesn't like Vista, nobody is forcing them to use it.
So then don't buy Vista. However, if the choice is between buying Vista, or buying XP (as it was for my most recent computer I built), there's no reason to buy XP.
And did you know that the most commonly used OS right now is still Windows 98?
(Okay, I *might* be out-of-date on that one.)
You are, Windows XP is by far the most used OS, 80%+.
I don't, and never will.
Friends who have upgraded to Vista keep telling me horror stories, about how much effort they had to put in to make it work correctly, about the stupid "do you want to ..." boxes, etc. Most agree that it wasn't worth the money they spent, for what seems to be just a patch for XP.
Then I keep reading stories, like how branches of the US government are *forbidding* the use of Vista on their networks (for the time being, at least).
Then I read the EULA. (Have you read it? It's a masterpiece. You don't own your operating system, or any data you put on it. You are renting the OS at MS's discretion, and they can pull the plug, and the access to any of your data, any time they want.) I have also read the specs that MS wants hardware manufacturers (especially driver makers) to adhere to. Now that's scary.
Of course, I think XP is crap, also.
The UAC is easy to disable, and gives no more annoying dialog boxes to confirm everything after that.
There's nothing surprising about the US government banning Vista, they'd do the same for any deployment of a new OS. There isn't really any point in installing Vista to a computer that already has XP anyway, but after they have everything figure out, if they're still going for Windows machines, Vista's all they'll get on new computers.
Regarding the EULA, that's common for all software. Take Civ IV for example, you don't actually own the game, simply a license to play it.
The only statement I take issue with. That type of EULA is common for all WINDOWS software.
The only statement I take issue with. That type of EULA is common for all WINDOWS software.
Got me there, too late to go back and edit my post now too.
bob bobato
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Oh no! Microsoft might come and steal all your software, because they're dying to know what youre best civ iv game was, or would love to know everything that youve ever googled! Really, I dont want to sound mean, but NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOURE COMPUTER! Just because you technically dont own it, doesn't mean that microsoft or any other company is going to swoop down and steal your pc, or that they care! Youre not that important, and neither am I, or hundreds of millions of other people.
Chairman Meow
Class IV
First, some people want to be able to have complete ownership of their computer simply for the principle of it. Not because they're afraid big bad Microsoft is going to take it away, but because they actually want to own the computer they paid for.
Second, just because you're individually not important to a large company like Microsoft doesn't mean that they can't (at the very least unintentionally) screw with you. The EULA allows them to place software on the machine to check the license of the copy of Windows (i.e. Windows Genuine Advantage.) And you can't exactly expect something like that to be bug-free, which means that there will be a certain number of legitimate copies of Windows that it will mark as pirated. Personally, I'd rather not put up with being accused of having unlicensed software when I don't.
So you call MS for free, they apologize and fix it.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Including their obsolete OSes?The only statement I take issue with. That type of EULA is common for all WINDOWS software.
Indeed. They've gotten ever more stringent as time went on, but MS has always been about making money, not about software. Even when they've done things, like bundled IE with Windows for free, it was all about driving Netscape from the market, so they could make even more money.
Chairman Meow
Class IV
Yes, but why should I need to call Microsoft to use the software that I already paid for?
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Nothing wrong with making money, but two quarlm that I would have is the "giving up your data to Microsoft". It's my data and I have the right to keep it, not be denyied of it as well as the ability to install windows into a or multiple new machines (In my case in my hobby in Virtualization, in a new virtual machine(s) created by VMware Workstation).
The second quarlm that I have is their notorious bussiness ethics on trying to be the big cat in Monopoly. It's no supprise that they have not even bothered to look into The Bussnesses in US history to see what happened to big bussness of the past who had monopolies (Standard Oil & Carnegie Steel Co., Comes to mind). Though unlike the Big Wigs in the Microsoft Offices (With the exception of Bill Gates since I looked through Wiki's list of philanthropists), Andrew Carnegie was a well known philanthropist of his time.
If the price was reasonable and that there was no blasted limitation on copying it to only one computer (Since I do virtualization on my XP computer). My laptop is a year old now and I dont have the time to mess around getting updates for my drivers, hardware, and software for it. Even some of my programs that I run on XP will not run on Vista (As found via from one of thoes Vista Testing programs that MS has). If I need to get Vista, it will have to be in eather a new laptop or have MS remove the blasted copying limitation for the Home editions so that I can use it through virtualization via VMware Workstation.Zelig said:
As for Vista, why the heck should I pay for other features that I can get them for free in other places. Take for example their widget engine (Windows Sidebar), There is already three widget engines out there for Windows. Two free widget engines: Yahoo! Wigets (Formaly Konfabulator) and Google Desktop. And one payed Widget Engine (Which is relitively cheap compared to Vista), DesktopX from Stardock. So why fuss getting Vista when I already have thoes widget engines (Yahoo! Widgets and DesktopX) on my computer?
Same for Vista's GUI, I already have a program (Windowblinds and Iconpackager) to make my XP look Vista-like. As for Windows Flip and Flip 3D, why the heck do I need some peice of eye candy to so something as simple as alt-tab. As for IE7, Why do I need that when I have Firefox? Windows Mail, Outlook, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar, Why do I need these when I have all of them in one free program, Thunderbird (Sunbird is a stand alone version of the Calender plug in for Thunderbird).
Why should I dish out ~$145 US dollars when I have what I need on XP and living on a very limited income (I am a college student BTW)?
Sorry, but I'm sticking with XP.
Source please? Since there are some households still running on Windows 9x/DOS based Windows, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, and *shutter* Windows ME (If they are lucky to get it to work without any problems). And there are some people still running on an older NT based Windows, Windows 2000. Mainly the reason is because people are reluctant to buy a new OS or even a new computer due because of cost.Zelig said:
I went ahead and did some research on my own and roughly 74% of todays computers use Windows XP (Lower than your 80% claim). Source
That's my quarlm, especialy in my hobby in Computer Virtualization (This is what makes older Window OSes and Linux Distributions attractive to me for virtualization is the lack of a software to check the license of a copy of any OS)Charman Meow said:
For the same reason you have to license vehicles you drive, unpeel anti-stealing stickers from products you buy in stores and have to take time to lock your car/house/anything else; because other people don't follow the rules.
In any case, WGA is quite succesful in identifying if a copy of Windows is genuine or not. If you think it makes the product unappealing, then don't use Windows.
None of your personal data is "given up to Microsoft" unwillingly. Read the EULA, it under 100 KB, they actually did a decent job of clarifying it compared to XP.
No version of Windows, at least back to Windows 95 has allowed installation on more than one machine, additional licenses have been necessary for this. (Legally we're talking here, technically, lots is possible)
Well, that's a choice MS made, if you want to run Vista in virtualization programs, you need Vista Ultimate. Sort of like cars, if you want leather seats, you're going to need to buy more expensive cars a lot of the time, it's a feature that comes with more expensive versions. This makes some sense, as the vast majority of home users won't be running virtualization software.
Did you read what you quoted? I said that if the choice is between XP and Vista, you'll be spending money either way, and there is no reason to purchase XP. If you've got XP and it's working well, stick with it, I'd do the same.
Your link doesn't work.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
Regardless of 10% points, it's still the vast majority.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Thats not what Padma told me.
I dont need Vista Ultimate. Heck I rather play it safe since I am not sure if MY host Laptop can even handle it! As for your leather seats statement, that can easely be debunked since if I want leather seats, I can simply go to a furnature store and buy a seat with leather on it.
Once again you bypassed what I have said. Now once again I will ask you again:
Why should I dish out ~$145 US dollars when I have what I need on XP and living on a very limited income (I am a college student BTW)?
Apparently you don't understand the situation that I am in. First, I am a college student which means that I am on a limited income and unemployed (receive money from parents). Second, I am running on a laptop and if I need any hardware upgrades, its a pain in the butt to try to upgrade it because its near impossible to upgrade laptop hardware. Third, I am using third party software that is similar to Vista's. I did not say anything about buying XP.
Oy, its so frustrating arguing with a Windows Fanboi. I know because I used to be one,
Read it yourself.
You do need Vista Ultimate if you want to legally run it in VMWare.
What furniture store sells leather car seats? Even if you have one, it's a general analogy that I made, it's bound to be limited in some way.
Sorry, I obviously didn't make it clear enough: You should not buy Vista if you have what you need in XP, Mac OS, Solaris, FreeDOS, SuSE, etc.
My argument is that there is no reason to choose XP over Vista if someone doesn't have either to start.
I understand your situation, I'm in the same one, except I make some money on the side with a few different computer projects, offering support and selling hardware mostly.
I'm not a "Windows Fanboi", I can quite comfortable carry out all my computer tasks outside of Windows except for gaming. I doubt Cedega will ever be compatible/fast enough for my liking.
Chairman Meow
Class IV
Maybe I was unclear. You do not actually give up your data to MS. But they *can* disable your software that you use to access your data, which means you can no longer access it. I suppose you could copy it to another machine that MS still accepts as "legal", but what if that isn't an option? If the data is in a proprietary format, e.g., MS Office (.doc, .xls, .ppt, etc.), you can't even extract the raw data from the file in any usable format.CivGeneral said:
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
What's the difference? Why on Earth would I need Vista Ultimate in order to legally run it in VMware? Is it now all of a sudden if I use The Home Basic edition it's "illegal"? What in the world makes Vista Ultimate with a price tag of $400?! (Rounded to the nearest 100th dollar). I can get the home basic cheaper.
It does not matter. If I want a leather seat, I can get one at a furniture store way cheaper than buying a whole vehicle with leather seats in them if I want to sit in a leather chair/seat.
Sorry for the presumption, but the way you are arguing is that you favor windows mostly and don't see the company in a negative light.
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