Is there something you believe in?

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Most recently - I have found the matter of 'believe' intruding and interesting. Like a mystique magic of a far away land ready to be Indiana Jonesned out of it.
Don't misunderstand me - I don't actually 'believe' in anything other than the things we sense and the beings we meet.
Yet - I am curious weather any experience of anyone regarding consciousness seemed ... unusual.
I am probably just a stupid man looking for stupid myths. Saddening.
But I am also asking anway - and especially I am asking for YOUR SINCERITY. Please.
 
I believe in God. This belief is not that there is a God, that is not how my belief works. If there is a difference to people in knowing something and believing something, it would seem to me that to believe in something, you first have to know what that something is. Belief comes into play when you do not know everything about something, but trust that what you do know leads to more knowledge until maturity is gained.
 
Most recently - I have found the matter of 'believe' intruding and interesting. Like a mystique magic of a far away land ready to be Indiana Jonesned out of it.
Don't misunderstand me - I don't actually 'believe' in anything other than the things we sense and the beings we meet.
Yet - I am curious weather any experience of anyone regarding consciousness seemed ... unusual.
I am probably just a stupid man looking for stupid myths. Saddening.
But I am also asking anway - and especially I am asking for YOUR SINCERITY. Please.

If you sincerely want to you will find plenty of examples in this world of consciousness and experiences which are from beyond senses. What more there really seem to be no limit to it but rather an infinite time-space. Fait is just a gate which can open up these multiverses...
 
I only believe in Karma.
 
Mathematical Platonism
 
That's a pretty easy question to answer, especially if the Joker's one who is asking it.

The answer would be something along the lines of "You're a bloody psychotic!".
 
That's a pretty easy question to answer, especially if the Joker's one who is asking it.

The answer would be something along the lines of "You're a bloody psychotic!".

This is good enough way to start. Some people are just psychos. How do you explain that? With knowledge of senses?
 
I don't know. Probably murdering a whole bunch of people. While making decent-to-cringe-worthy-puns.
 
I don't know. Probably murdering a whole bunch of people. While making decent-to-cringe-worthy-puns.

Lots of people seem to be broken in one way or the other. I think in the future we will be able to understand it and see there may be a purpose to it.
 
Belief comes into play when you do not know everything about something, but trust that what you do know leads to more knowledge until maturity is gained.

Very well said.
 
So you believe in all your friends and family members and yourself? This sounds like a good chunk of happiness.

Would that mean you believe in yourself that you can be a decent and cool guy and your family is great (for an example)?

Or do you just.. believe?

I believe that I can affect positive change in this world, in my own life, and that my friends and family have such strengths as well, and that we are all able to help eachother as a community for the purposes of personal development and leading happy and well balanced lives.

I put my belief in these people, and in myself. They are the people I can turn to in a time of need.. and I believe that I have enough to offer to be able to help them in their times of need as well. I believe that whether it's together or individually - that we'll pull through and be able to improve whichever situation is being faced - and that if help is needed, that it will come.
 
I'm just a horrible person
 
Actually, I don't often believe in god or something like that. I just believe in myself
In details, I believe in what is going on in front of me, I watch how things happen and then find out its principle and make my own decisions based on those principles.
 
Mathematical Platonism

MEH.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/ said:
1. What is Mathematical Platonism?

Mathematical platonism can be defined as the conjunction of the following three theses:

Existence.
There are mathematical objects.

Abstractness.
Mathematical objects are abstract.

Independence.
Mathematical objects are independent of intelligent agents and their language, thought, and practices.

First of all Plato does not at all seem to have supported this, so why term it as platonism? One of his most famous passages, the allegory of the cave, even has Socrates argue that math objects are on the lower part of the triad of phenomena outside the cave: math, abstract eide (termed 'ideas' usually, but the term is Eidos and means Category/type) and then the over-archetype of 'benevolence', which is paralleled to the Sun (one cannot see it without ruining his eyes, etc).

Of course Plato founded the Academy, where most of the courses were math-related, including geometry and number sets (eg powers of numbers and their trigonometric presentation in spirals). But neither PlatoSocrates nor any other of the people before claimed that math is the ladder to actual Gnosis (Knowledge), apart from Pythagoras who indeed seems to have been of this view.
Socrates and Plato often argue that one cannot have any perfect knowledge of any phenomenon, cause he can only know it up to some level of detail, whereas the phenomenon always has parts below that detail as well (unless axiomatically those final parts are not further examinable, such as the notion of "a single point" in geometry).

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Concurrent to Socrates, the main positions are by the Eleans (Parmenides/Zeno etc) and the Democritians (Democritos(?)/Anaxagoras/Protagoras). The former argue that man is either entirely locked out of 'reality', or he is bounded by his own finite ability for thought while some kind of 'shadow of a shadow' of reality may reach him in some of his reasoning. The latter argue that no phenomenon is independent of the observer/mind. 'Man is the meter of all things' is a subset of that view.

Edit: The term 'mathematical platonism' seems to refer to the view that math objects may be seen as Eide themselves (ie things which exist by themselves, regardless of observers). I think this is not really about math, though, due to aforementioned views of Plato in his own works, and the special position of the discussion of Eide at the time. Keep in mind that a core of their debate in the 5th BC was about more defined areas of thought rising from (problematically in their view) axioms, such as in math.In general the term rises with the dialogue between Socrates and Parmenides, and is meant as some theorising on what 'reality' may exist outside of human perception, but that we may have dialectic reason to notice actual shadows of it in our own thought.
Useful to note that Parmenides reaches no conclusion.
 
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