Sneaks, you are my new hero! Your whole performance on the last page was outstanding - I can't remember ever reading such an accurate, clear and insightful description of issues I have with Civ5, or how do I feel about this release. I can only hope that one day I'll be as eloquent as you are And to Mr One-liner over there let me reply to you in the same manner (cause all this "you just want Civ4.5" is getting old and worn): Nnnhh if you don't like this forum you can go somewhere else! There, did it help? Was it constructive?