'Journalists abandon standards to attack the Pope'

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I normally attempt to avoid this forum, because getting drawn into a debate in this wretched hive of scum and villainy never gets anywhere. Nevertheless, I thought that this short article succinctly demonstrates how the media has been infected by an absurd frenzy of making absurd attacks without even an inkling of the facts:

Journalists abandon standards to attack the Pope
By Phil Lawler | April 10, 2010 10:03 AM

We’re off and running once again, with another completely phony story that purports to implicate Pope Benedict XVI in the protection of abusive priests.

The “exclusive” story released by AP yesterday, which has been dutifully passed along now by scores of major media outlets, would never have seen the light of day if normal journalistic standards had been in place. Careful editors should have asked a series of probing questions, and in every case the answer to those questions would have shown that the story had no “legs.”

First to repeat the bare-bones version of the story: in November 1985, then-Cardinal Ratzinger signed a letter deferring a decision on the laicization of Father Stephen Kiesle, a California priest who had been accused of molesting boys.

Now the key questions:

• Was Cardinal Ratzinger responding to the complaints of priestly pedophilia? No. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which the future Pontiff headed, did not have jurisdiction for pedophile priests until 2001. The cardinal was weighing a request for laicization of Kiesle.

• Had Oakland’s Bishop John Cummins sought to laicize Kiesle as punishment for his misconduct? No. Kiesle himself asked to be released from the priesthood. The bishop supported the wayward priest’s application.

• Was the request for laicization denied? No. Eventually, in 1987, the Vatican approved Kiesle’s dismissal from the priesthood.

• Did Kiesle abuse children again before he was laicized? To the best of our knowledge, No. The next complaints against him arose in 2002: 15 years after he was dismissed from the priesthood.

• Did Cardinal Ratzinger’s reluctance to make a quick decision mean that Kiesle remained in active ministry? No. Bishop Cummins had the authority to suspend the predator-priest, and in fact he had placed him on an extended leave of absence long before the application for laicization was entered.

• Would quicker laicization have protected children in California? No. Cardinal Ratzinger did not have the power to put Kiesle behind bars. If Kiesle had been defrocked in 1985 instead of 1987, he would have remained at large, thanks to a light sentence from the California courts. As things stood, he remained at large. He was not engaged in parish ministry and had no special access to children.

• Did the Vatican cover up evidence of Kiesle’s predatory behavior? No. The civil courts of California destroyed that evidence after the priest completed a sentence of probation– before the case ever reached Rome.

So to review: This was not a case in which a bishop wanted to discipline his priest and the Vatican official demurred. This was not a case in which a priest remained active in ministry, and the Vatican did nothing to protect the children under his pastoral care. This was not a case in which the Vatican covered up evidence of a priest’s misconduct. This was a case in which a priest asked to be released from his vows, and the Vatican– which had been flooded by such requests throughout the 1970s — wanted to consider all such cases carefully. In short, if you’re looking for evidence of a sex-abuse crisis in the Catholic Church, this case is irrelevant.

We Americans know what a sex-abuse crisis looks like. The scandal erupts when evidence emerges that bishops have protected abusive priests, kept them active in parish assignments, covered up evidence of the charges against them, and lied to their people. There is no such evidence in this or any other case involving Pope Benedict XVI.

Competent reporters, when dealing with a story that involves special expertise, seek information from experts in that field. Capable journalists following this story should have sought out canon lawyers to explain the 1985 document– not merely relied on the highly biased testimony of civil lawyers who have lodged multiple suits against the Church. If they had understood the case, objective reporters would have recognized that they had no story. But in this case, reporters for the major media outlets are far from objective.

The New York Times– which touched off this feeding frenzy with two error-riddled front-page reports– seized on the latest “scoop” by AP to say that the 1985 document exemplified:

“… the sort of delay that is fueling a renewed sexual abuse scandal in the church that has focused on whether the future pope moved quickly enough to remove known pedophiles from the priesthood, despite pleas from American bishops.”

Here we have a complete rewriting of history. Earlier in this decade, American newspapers exposed the sad truth that many American bishops had kept pedophile priests in active ministry. Now the Times, which played an active role in exposing that scandal, would have us believe that the American bishops were striving to rid the priesthood of the predators, and the Vatican resisted!

No, what is “fueling a renewed sexual abuse scandal” is a media frenzy. There is a scandal here, indeed, but it’s not the scandal you’re reading about in the mass media. The scandal is the complete collapse of journalistic standards in the handling of this story.

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The scandal erupts when evidence emerges that bishops have protected abusive priests, kept them active in parish assignments, covered up evidence of the charges against them, and lied to their people. There is no such evidence in this or any other case involving Pope Benedict XVI.

Pope Benedict XVI faced claims last night he had 'obstructed justice' after it emerged he issued an order ensuring the church's investigations into child sex abuse claims be carried out in secret.
The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.

It asserted the church's right to hold its inquiries behind closed doors and keep the evidence confidential for up to 10 years after the victims reached adulthood. The letter was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger . . . Lawyers acting for abuse victims claim it was designed to prevent the allegations from becoming public knowledge or being investigated by the police . . . It orders that 'preliminary investigations' into any claims of abuse should be sent to Ratzinger's office . . . 'Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,' Ratzinger's letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/apr/24/children.childprotection
 
It asserted the church's right to hold its inquiries behind closed doors and keep the evidence confidential for up to 10 years after the victims reached adulthood. The letter was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger . . . Lawyers acting for abuse victims claim it was designed to prevent the allegations from becoming public knowledge or being investigated by the police . . . It orders that 'preliminary investigations' into any claims of abuse should be sent to Ratzinger's office . . . 'Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,' Ratzinger's letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication.[/i]

The juxtaposition of this with the segment you quoted seems to imply that you were making a point about the former, though I fail to see the relevance: where is the evidence that then-Cardinal Ratzinger specifically chose to cover-up or lie about the case, if that was the implication?

Please read: How the Vatican handles sex abuse allegations.

oh poor pope, why cant he ever get a break?

because he enabled child frekkers, thats why.

The Pope "enabled" child molestors in the same sense that you are currently doing so right this second, in that neither of you have the omniscience in order to be aware of it and end it with the snap of fingers.
 
The pope is a scumbag if the allegations are true, and even if they're not he's still a thoroughly unpleasant person.
 
I fail to see the relevance: where is the evidence that then-Cardinal Ratzinger specifically chose to cover-up or lie

Gee, I don't know, maybe because he signed an order for all bishops to keep sex abuse a secret from the authorities for 10+ years or face excommunication?

As far as the link:

The Vatican has for the first time made it clear that bishops and other high-ranking clergy should report sex abuse by priests to police.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/04/12/vatican-abuse-guidelines.html

Note the date. The link you posted doesn't contradict the fact that Ratzinger had previously ordered sex abuse cases to be covered up on pain of excommunication, because those guidelines you posted were only issued a few days ago, in an attempt to avoid responsibility - previous to this, bishops who reported sex abuse to the police faced excommunication by order of Ratzinger.
 
I have deliberatly stayed away from this toppic, the flurry of hysteria on these boards including a dozen threads has convinced me that the simple truths of this OP are of no consequence to those who want a juicy story.
 
Keep on apologisin'.
 
The pope is a scumbag if the allegations are true, and even if they're not he's still a thoroughly unpleasant person.

I think this mentality is more of the 'cause for all of this than anything else to be honest.

Pat said:
I have deliberatly stayed away from this toppic, the flurry of hysteria on these boards including a dozen threads has convinced me that the simple truths of this OP are of no consequence to those who want a juicy story.

Bingo. I think we have a winner.
 
I have deliberatly stayed away from this toppic, the flurry of hysteria on these boards including a dozen threads has convinced me that the simple truths of this OP are of no consequence to those who want a juicy story.

Dude, the man was involved in a cover up about CHILD RAPE amd PEDOPHILIA
 
It could mob, be due to his reprehensible lies regarding condoms and his views on homosexuals. This is the same man who attacks the "immorality" in the world an in people yet he is also involved in protecting pedophiles.
 
Someone's not reading the thread. Ratzinger ordered all sex abuse cases to be covered up for over a decade before being reported to the police, on threat of excommunication. End of story.

except that he didn't - the letter being referenced for this covers the disciplinary proceedings within the church about which all involved are ordered to keep mum. There is no prohibition against working with the state on criminal proceedings in that letter.
 
Useless, the point of this thread is to debate that Ratzinger didn't cover up anything. So you stating that he covered the abuses up without counterarguments doesn't carry much weight. You'd be better off stating why the points presented by Spectra are incorrect.
 
You have to have standards in the first place in order to abandon them.
 
It could mob, be due to his reprehensible lies regarding condoms and his views on homosexuals. This is the same man who attacks the "immorality" in the world an in people yet he is also involved in protecting pedophiles.

Someone's not reading the thread. Ratzinger ordered all sex abuse cases to be covered up for over a decade before being reported to the police, on threat of excommunication. End of story.

Thanks for making my point. The 'thread' isnt the basis of fact that you should be using. At all.

What is occurring is people are more than willing to just assign blame onto the Pope because they just dont like him regardless. Easy target, low hanging fruit and all that. These two comments show that attitude in spades.
 
Thanks for making my point. The 'thread' isnt the basis of fact that you should be using. At all.

What is occurring is people are more than willing to just assign blame onto the Pope because they just dont like him regardless. Easy target, low hanging fruit and all that. These two comments show that attitude in spades.
except that he didn't - the letter being referenced for this covers the disciplinary proceedings within the church about which all involved are ordered to keep mum. There is no prohibition against working with the state on criminal proceedings in that letter.
I agree.
 
Obviously we should forget about his pedophile enabling.
 
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