Judeo-Protestant?

[Tahuti]

I see Catholic fanatics on the net occasionally use that term, usually in the context of a combined Antisemitism/Anti-Zionism and Anti-Protestantism.

Is there a real connection between Protestantism and Judaism that both have in common and set them apart from others, aside from attracting negative attention from the fundamentalist Catholics?

 

[Traitorfish]

It's probably something to do with Freemasons. Hardline Catholics love them some Freemason conspiracies.

 

[cybrxkhan]

My uneducated guess is that it might have something to do with some Protestants feeling like they're closer to the "original" Christianity, and thus closer to Judaism.

 

[Borachio]

I thought it was something to do with Zionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

 

[timtofly]

I thought that was what the two posters ahead of you were referring to.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Well, from the context you've provided it obviously operates as a not-us slur. You're asking for the (specious) logic by which the Catholics who use it hold these two together in their mind, right? I wonder if it's "money-grubbing": those usurious Jews and those work-ethic Protestants, as against us properly poor in spirit Catholics who know wealth is actually an obstacle to salvation.

 

[shadowplay]

Googling the term doesn't yield much in the way of results. In fact, this thread is the second thing that comes up, right after a Wikipedia article on "Judeo-Christian".

Where exactly are you coming across this term? What kind of forum is it?

 

[Domen]

I wonder if it's "money-grubbing": those usurious Jews and those work-ethic Protestants, as against us properly poor in spirit Catholics who know wealth is actually an obstacle to salvation.

You might be interested to see my thread on effects of Counterreformation in World History subforum.

It's probably something to do with Freemasons. Hardline Catholics love them some Freemason conspiracies.

In this unusual country called Poland, Freemasons and the Catholic Church were actually friends (according to Richard Butterwick). But Hardline Catholics don't know this because they usually don't know much.

Is there a real connection between Protestantism and Judaism that both have in common and set them apart from others, aside from attracting negative attention from the fundamentalist Catholics?

Protestants and Jews used to think on their own, Catholics used to listen to the Pope.

And they expected others to be obedient to the Pope as well.

 

[Traitorfish]

Protestants and Jews used to think on their own, Catholics used to listen to the Pope.

Most Protestants were Anglican or Lutheran and therefore every bit as hierarchically-minded as Catholics, it's just that their hierarchy terminated in a secular monarch rather than a patriarch. Presbyterians weren't usually very independent, either, just more democratic.

 

[luiz]

Googling the term doesn't yield much in the way of results. In fact, this thread is the second thing that comes up, right after a Wikipedia article on "Judeo-Christian".

Where exactly are you coming across this term? What kind of forum is it?

Yep never heard the term either, and I come from a Catholic family and spent 11 years of my life in Catholic schools.

I have however met maybe a handful of ultra-conservative Catholics, the types who want to bring back the Tridentine Mass, who have a pretty negative perception of Jews (negative perception of Protestants is far more common, of course). One of them even believed in the authenticity of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and had a copy of the original Brazilian edition of 1938 (IIRC), when the Brazilian government was openly sympathetic to the Axis Powers and anti-semitic propaganda was published. I'm pretty sure the book is banned now. Anyway I was rather shocked that he believed in that crap as he was one of the most learned people I met in my life, a retired Appellate Court judge no less. But he was born in 1917.

 

[commenter23598]

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Protestants and Jews used to think on their own, Catholics used to listen to the Pope.

And they expected others to be obedient to the Pope as well.[/QUOTE]


Old anti-Catholic bromide, Catholics are supposed to use fully the faculty of reason but within the context of a community of shared beliefs.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Both Catholics and Protestants, it should be noted, believe in things coming back from the dead.

 

[commenter23598]

I see Catholic fanatics on the net occasionally use that term, usually in the context of a combined Antisemitism/Anti-Zionism and Anti-Protestantism.

Is there a real connection between Protestantism and Judaism that both have in common and set them apart from others, aside from attracting negative attention from the fundamentalist Catholics?

I use the term and don't consider myself a "Catholic fanatic" (I've also heard references made to things like "Hebraic-Puritanism"; try a couple of following to start:

http://jbuff.com/c070711.htm
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/american-brethren-hebrews-and-puritans


For myself having gone to college in Connecticut (and being Catholic) I would say there are certain strong similarities (but this may have more to do with the brand of Protestantism found in New England), namely, an affinity for the written over the spoken word (compare "People of the Book" and sola scriptura), an affinity for the "eye for an eye" psychology of the Old Testament, certain naming practices, a reflexive hostility towards large institutionalized religions (in practice limited mainly to the RCC), an implicit sense of the self as being to an elite ("Chosen People" vs. "The Elected" or "Predestined"), a strong emphasis on intellectual development over spiritual practices (this may be more New England), an admixture of hyperindividualism with strong collectivist tendencies, an obsession with the presumed corruption, power and influence of Catholics, and others.

Also think about tendencies of certain Protestants to perceive Jews as modern-day descendants of the Israelites (and therefore necessary for the Second Coming of Jesus), like Oliver Cromwell and some American Baptists.

 

[commenter23598]

Both Catholics and Protestants, it should be noted, believe in things coming back from the dead.

Considering the Apostles were all Jewish, some do (did) some Jews...

 

[Gori the Grey]

As, I suspect, will CFCOTers of all religious persuasions, now.

 

[dutchfire]

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