KaiserIOT: Dream of a World

[Mathalamus]

Without increased outside assistance, the Miracle of Constantinople can't last. In 1453, the Theodosian Walls, while old and dated, were still notable and still grand. However, Ottoman cannons and Byzantine military, economic, and political weakness show ended the second incarnation of the Roman Empire that year, achieving what Islam had been trying to do in several centuries in only two months.

false. it was only 6 weeks, not two months.

It is a question of how much force Rome can continue to muster in the face of a besieged de facto capital. In 1914, the government of France fled Paris to safer environments, but had the German right wing struck at Paris and seized the city, what would be of the French soldier's will to fight? Soldier morale is a fickle thing, and while nationalism is a great motivator, as is fighting a foreign invader with an odious ideology, the politics of the Roman state are likely having a dampening effect on morale. With the Mediterranean clearly not in one side's pocket as of yet, can anybody look at the forces involved in the war and draw a picture of an end game that doesn't end with the Roman Empire losing its cultural center and claims of legitimacy?

false. its only a de jure capital. Ankara is the De facto capital. still, you are right. losing the legal capital would cause some issues with legitmacy.

True, the Bosnian Uprising is a matter of some concern, but the Allies should be careful in greeting Bosnia as a makeshift ally. Despite what the Romans and Italians may want, Yugoslavia is a stabilizing factor in Balkan politics, and the collapse of Yugoslavia will surely end, and begin, in bloodshed. Unlike 1990s, there is no superpower in the wings waiting to deliver ample firepower to shift the tide in one side's favor. The belligerents in the Balkan War, after the war is finished, and assuming Yugoslavia collapses, would be too drained materially to reliably control the situation in the Balkans. This could prove an opening for the Germans to direct the narrative in the Balkans.

so what? we have the UN available to rebuild the effected region. and, you are probably right. Germany would be in a good position to control the independent balkan states.

The Siege of Constantinople can't last much longer. Either the Yugoslavians are repulsed, or the city will fall. I do not believe the city can reliably be held as the Yugoslavians are afforded more resources and manpower than the Roman State and is afforded favorable positions to the west to hold back the relatively weak Italian forces. The fact, however, that Constantinople hasn't been taken yet says something about Yugoslavia's relative military power. Rome is weak, but the gulf between Roman military power and Yugoslavian military power apparently is not as wide as some would like to believe.

you are right. the battle of Constantinople cannot last much longer. we are hoping to end it in Yugoslavian defeat.

I will say this about the Roman claims of the number of forces they are raising in Anatolia. They are, without a doubt, false. The Romans, by no means, achieve the naval power to ferry the supposed twenty armies they are raising. For the record, there were less than ten armies on the Western Front during WW1, and that number of soldiers is what led to the trench warfare and devastation as the size of armies made movement difficult, leading to the Investment of Belgium.

...we have no plans to ferry twenty armies to Constantinople? where did you get these obviously impossible facts? the four armies in there is enough, in my opinion.

I am looking at the map and wonder where Rome will keep twenty armies in Europe. You clearly can't fit twenty armies in Constantinople. These are just numbers thrown out for public digestion, but the rapid expansion of an army in just a few months doesn't happen without growing pains, wartime labor shortages, and without intensifying the problems most wartime economies face. The Roman Emperor, likewise, was publicly admitted to a hospital. The declining health of a wartime leader usually isn't something a country on the losing side of a war should bring up.

it was expanding since the beginning of the war. 9 months. im sure 1.1 million soliders in nine months, from the starting army size of 550,000 is a slower mobilization than average.

oh and the best part? these new soliders are part of the reserve army. reserve. that means they dont leave their day jobs until we specifically activate a Reserve Army.

Unfortunately, Yugoslavia may have managed to snag defeat from the jaws of victory. The purges this late in the war will, no doubt, result in an immediate weakening of the officer corps, morale on the front, and increased political unrest. Whereas Stalin would have refrained from purging the army while Stalingrad raged, the Yugoslavian leadership has found it prudent to do so during stalemates on two fronts and an Islamic uprising. These are acts of a desperate government, and are not shows of strength to anyone.

we have the same opinions. however, we recieved intelligence that they aren't that dumb. they left the command structure in Thrace alone, so there's no changes there.

 

[VGL]

I won't discuss the Kalmar or Mexican roles in the war, since it is in this reader's opinion that those elements are relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. I do not believe Mexico will prove decisive in the war. Simple geography sometimes is the answer to complex questions, and until somebody can show more a successor state in the Americas capable of massive force projection capability, I will maintain my stance that none of them actually have the resources to pull off reliable force projection.

Oh you'll see

 

[Sonereal]

false. it was only 6 weeks, not two months.

Which does nothing to disprove my point. If anything, it amplifies it.

false. its only a de jure capital. Ankara is the De facto capital. still, you are right. losing the legal capital would cause some issues with legitmacy.

It is more than just that. Constantinople is far more prestigious than Ankara, and is the only proof that the Roman Empire is even Roman. The lost of Constantinople would be like the Fall of Rome in 476. The empire, technically, lasted until 480, but nobody harbored under delusion it was Roman any longer.

so what? we have the UN available to rebuild the effected region. and, you are probably right. Germany would be in a good position to control the independent balkan states.

No. You don't.

The ability for the post-Other successor states to muster resources is very limited, and humanitarian contributions will, by necessity, always be light.

...we have no plans to ferry twenty armies to Constantinople? where did you get these obviously impossible facts? the four armies in there is enough, in my opinion.

Four armies is, in and of itself, an extremely silly number leading me to believe the Romans are using an inferior organizational system in which the size of units are far, far smaller than the standardized professional forces after the First World War. I question the ability to cram 400,000 to nearly a million Roman soldiers in Thrace especially when Roman Thrace mostly consists of just the capital.

it was expanding since the beginning of the war. 9 months. im sure 1.1 million soliders in nine months, from the starting army size of 550,000 is a slower mobilization than average.

One million soldiers but how many armies? The Germans had less than ten full armies in operational during WW1, and it took only five to eight of them to more or less *force* the line to extend from the Channel to Switzerland, which begs the question, where are you finding room?

oh and the best part? these new soliders are part of the reserve army. reserve. that means they dont leave their day jobs until we specifically activate a Reserve Army.

Making them worthless. Reserves not mobilized are worthless. I'm questioning Rome's sincerity in wanting to end this war.

we have the same opinions. however, we recieved intelligence that they aren't that dumb. they left the command structure in Thrace alone, so there's no changes there.

It is hard to trust Roman intelligence considering its gross failure at preventing the near complete lost of Thrace, arguably the most important province in the "Roman" Empire. I am relying on what I am seeing, and leaving the command structure alone in Thrace at no point guarantees that the purges elsewhere aren't still having an impact on field and staff officers in Thrace.

Oh you'll see

No I won't.

 

[VGL]

No I won't.

oh you will.

OOC: kaiser, can you answer my question I PMed you? And can some nations whose owners NEVER appear be NPCed?

 

[christos200]

Orthodox Holy War

- Holy Assembly of Bishops of the Yugoslav Orthodox Church.

- Ilias Psinakis announcing the Holy War.​

For the first time in almost a decade, the Orthodox Church has not only be allowed to be active in the Yugoslav society, but has also got the official backing of Yugoslavia. The Holy Assembly of Bishops of the Yugoslav Orthodox Church, with the blessings of the Great Leader Ilias Psinakis, has declared a "Holy War" against the Muslim infidels and the Roman heretics, who have been excommunicated. While purged during previous years, the Orthodox Church maintains it's important influence on society, especially since almost all Muslim and Catholic regions of Yugoslavia are no longer under Yugoslav control and only Orthodox Republics remain in Yugoslavia (with the exception of Hungary).

Many Priests have begun recruiting Orthodox believers, especially in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and Bulgaria. Many of these paramilitary forces have been seen parading in major Yugoslav cities holding huge wooden crosses in their hands and calling out for all believers to join them. At least 6,000 people have joined the cause in the first week, including women, and many more are expected to join. This paramilitary force, called the "Crusaders", are ready to make suicide attacks against their enemies and rally the soldiers in both Thrace and Hungary. Many Priests have also been send to the fronts to raise the morale of the soldiers.

- The Crusaders are blessed by Orthodox Priest.​

The Communist Party of Yugoslavia has issued a statement about the revolutionary and Marxist thinking of Jesus Christ and how the Church had been corrupted by feudal and capitalist elements who used the Christian teachings to enslave the workers. But now, according to the CPY, the Yugoslav government has managed to purge all corrupted elements of the Church, leaving behind only those who are true to the words of the Christ and who support the struggle of the working class.

 

[Mathalamus]

Which does nothing to disprove my point. If anything, it amplifies it.

i know that. just get the facts right, thats all.

It is more than just that. Constantinople is far more prestigious than Ankara, and is the only proof that the Roman Empire is even Roman. The lost of Constantinople would be like the Fall of Rome in 476. The empire, technically, lasted until 480, but nobody harbored under delusion it was Roman any longer.

untrue by a huuuuuge margin. the world knew that Rome was Rome, but pretended otherwise as a slight to them. you would say that Yugoslavia isnt Yugoslavia when the capital is in Bucharest and not Belgrade? if you say no, then you are a hypocrite and that invaliates everything you say.

Four armies is, in and of itself, an extremely silly number leading me to believe the Romans are using an inferior organizational system in which the size of units are far, far smaller than the standardized professional forces after the First World War. I question the ability to cram 400,000 to nearly a million Roman soldiers in Thrace especially when Roman Thrace mostly consists of just the capital.

standard size of the Roman Army is 25,000 soliders. surely you can do the math? the Emperors guard have 50,000.

we chose to have small army sizes to ease logistical concerns.

and the other 400,000 are Constantinople people, who chose to stay behind as Civilian militia. they are not considered armies.

One million soldiers but how many armies? The Germans had less than ten full armies in operational during WW1, and it took only five to eight of them to more or less *force* the line to extend from the Channel to Switzerland, which begs the question, where are you finding room?

according to the math, its 20 regular armies, plus the Emperors Guard, and 20 reserve armies, plus the Reserve Emperors Gaurd. only four reserve armies are actually activated.

Making them worthless. Reserves not mobilized are worthless. I'm questioning Rome's sincerity in wanting to end this war.

i question your ability to know what a functioning economy is.

It is hard to trust Roman intelligence considering its gross failure at preventing the near complete lost of Thrace, arguably the most important province in the "Roman" Empire. I am relying on what I am seeing, and leaving the command structure alone in Thrace at no point guarantees that the purges elsewhere aren't still having an impact on field and staff officers in Thrace.

are you crazy? are out out fo your mind? we sitll have Constantinople, the most important city in this province after 9 months. 9. months. if anything its the Yugoslavians who should be questioned, for their failure to overcome the Romans.

OOC: i don't like you. stop arguing please, you make this game very unfun for me.

 

[VGL]

Orthodox Holy War

- Holy Assembly of Bishops of the Yugoslav Orthodox Church.

- Ilias Psinakis announcing the Holy War.​

For the first time in almost a decade, the Orthodox Church has not only be allowed to be active in the Yugoslav society, but has also got the official backing of Yugoslavia. The Holy Assembly of Bishops of the Yugoslav Orthodox Church, with the blessings of the Great Leader Ilias Psinakis, has declared a "Holy War" against the Muslim infidels and the Roman heretics, who have been excommunicated. While purged during previous years, the Orthodox Church maintains it's important influence on society, especially since almost all Muslim and Catholic regions of Yugoslavia are no longer under Yugoslav control and only Orthodox Republics remain in Yugoslavia (with the exception of Hungary).

Many Priests have begun recruiting Orthodox believers, especially in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and Bulgaria. Many of these paramilitary forces have been seen parading in major Yugoslav cities holding huge wooden crosses in their hands and calling out for all believers to join them. At least 6,000 people have joined the cause in the first week, including women, and many more are expected to join. This paramilitary force, called the "Crusaders", are ready to make suicide attacks against their enemies and rally the soldiers in both Thrace and Hungary. Many Priests have also been send to the fronts to raise the morale of the soldiers.

- The Crusaders are blessed by Orthodox Priest.​

The Communist Party of Yugoslavia has issued a statement about the revolutionary and Marxist thinking of Jesus Christ and how the Church had been corrupted by feudal and capitalist elements who used the Christian teachings to enslave the workers. But now, according to the CPY, the Yugoslav government has managed to purge all corrupted elements of the Church, leaving behind only those who are true to the words of the Christ and who support the struggle of the working class.

This event sorely decreased the relations of Catholics with Yugoslavia,. Therefore, a strong anti-Yugoslavian between extremists (which was neutral and extremist have the second most seats) has appeared. Also, many liberals and even communists now oppose Yugoslavia. Therefore, a bill was presented to switch sides.

Article 1:

Due to the recent Yugoslavia actions against many minority religions including Catholics, upsetting many from liberals to extremists, once this bill passes, we will switch sides and help Rome instead and drop our bomb on major Yugoslavian cities.

Article 2:

We will propose an alliance to Rome and it will last for 10 years. It may be override by either partie if the people and/or the congress sees action that they don't like.

Referendum:

YAY: 97%

NAY: 3%

and PASSES with 310 Abstain, 231 YAY and 19 NAY in the congress.

So therefore, the bill is now passes and we propose peace to Rome and offer them and alliance and Declare war on Yugoslavia.

 

[Mathalamus]

the Emperor of Rome, hearing this, made a small smile. Yugoslavia shot themselves, again.

the Roman Empire accepts the offer of peace and an alliance. additionally, they offered a tip: beware of the Gethic hand. they will not like this new development.

the two mercenary armies that Rome has in the area will then offer support to Mexico, in the name of the Empire.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Mexico may want to change it policies: the Gethic could do with some land near the Atlantic and you are giving a great invitation by betraying Yugoslavia...

The Emperor of Rome is possibly Orthodox with a Sunni populace, yes?

Anyway: denounce your betrayal, seek redemption and rejoin against Rome. Fail and we will... lets just say that you have give us a possible chance to make a historical treaty with Texas that will ensure that they won't have to fear Mexican illegal immigration ever again as we will agree to construct a firm wall to separate Texas from Gethic Mexico... should Mexico decide to continue its aggression.

We will give you to next season before we give the official war declaration, unless you renounce your war against Yugoslavia and agree to return against the Romans.

OOC: AKA I want the news of the update before committing myself.

Also I want Somalia so I wish to delay any war for honor sake. Consider this time to prepare if you wish to keep betraying.

Edit: if I were you I would not seek to open a front near you; fighting for Yugoslavia against Rome at least placed you in a safe distance from any possible counter invasions.

 

[VGL]

Mexico may want to change it policies: the Gethic could do with some land near the Atlantic and you are giving a great invitation by betraying COPE...

The Emperor of Rome is possibly Orthodox with a Sunni populace, yes?

Anyway: denounce your betrayal, seek redemption and rejoin against Rome. Fail and we will... lets just say that you have give us a possible chance to make a historical treaty with Texas that will ensure that they won't have to fear Mexican illegal immigration ever again as we will agree to construct a firm wall to separate Texas from Gethic Mexico... should Mexico decide to continue its aggression.

We will give you to next season before we give the official war declaration, unless you renounce your war against Yugoslavia and agree to return against the Romans.

OOC: AKA I want the news of the update before committing myself.

Also I want Somalia so I wish to delay any war for honor sake. Consider this time to prepare if you wish to keep betraying.

Well, the difference is that Rome doesn't prosecute Sunni population. And why should i worry about you? I'v got many "Bombs" that will destroy your major cities in one second. Plus i'v got a great army. I won't say what it is because you might use that and build or use something that weakens me and plus, unlike you, i'm a democracy which means people decide how the government is run. Not me. If i could control it, then i would ban the anarchists immediately or make them only have one seat

 

[Ailedhoo]

Well, the difference is that Rome doesn't prosecute Sunni population. And why should i worry about you? I'v got many "Bombs" that will destroy your major cities in one second. Plus i'v got a great army. I won't say what it is because you might use that and build or use something that weakens me

You do realize that people don't like getting invaded? Especially people who are up against the Gethic Hand, a super military order who is not cowardly when it comes to the usage of chemical weapons against military personnel? You have killed your electoral career and perhaps your sovereignty.

You have not aided your nation: you have doomed it by siding with the enemy of a titan that sit near you and who may see you as a ant. How are these bombs and how will they reach their destination now that you told me about them, hence allowing I to direct the Gethic air force to be on alert and our spy agencies to be on the look out for Mexican terrorists?

Still you have chance to repent: at least if you were neutral to Yugoslavia we may have been more softer but the 180 degree turn is a act of betrayal and will be regarded as a casi beli to invade your land and convert it into a developed territory. We are merciful though: all you got to do is to denounce your own betrayal, seek forgiveness from Yugoslavia and disband any links with the Romans.

 

[VGL]

You do realize that people don't like getting invaded? Especially people who are up against the Gethic Hand, a super military order who is not cowardly when it comes to the usage of chemical weapons against military personnel? You have killed your electoral career and perhaps your sovereignty.

You have not aided your nation: you have doomed it by siding with the enemy of a titan that sit near you and who may see you as a ant. How are these bombs and how will they reach their destination now that you told me about them, hence allowing I to direct the Gethic air force to be on alert and our spy agencies to be on the look out for Mexican terrorists?

Still you have chance to repent: at least if you were neutral to Yugoslavia we may have been more softer but the 180 degree turn is a act of betrayal and will be regarded as a casi beli to invade your land and convert it into a developed territory. We are merciful though: all you got to do is to denounce your own betrayal, seek forgiveness from Yugoslavia and disband any links with the Romans.

I'll not return too Yugoslavia because of their prosecution to Catholics. Nearly all parties got upset. The communists and the atheists thought the communist government was fake as they turned Orthodox and failed to remain atheist. The liberals where unhappy due too prosecuting and the rest of extremists didn't like that their population was being killed in Yugoslavia.

The end

President Booeyne Un Liberate of Mexico

 

[christos200]

When did I say that Catholics are oppressed? The Holy War is only against Bosnian Muslims and Romans.

 

[Civ'ed]

Aren't the Romans Catholic?

 

[christos200]

Romans = Pseudo-Byzantium.

 

[Ailedhoo]

I'll not return too Yugoslavia because of their prosecution to Catholics. Nearly all parties got upset. The communists and the atheists thought the communist government was fake as they turned Orthodox and failed to remain atheist. The liberals where unhappy due too prosecuting and the rest of extremists didn't like that their population was being killed in Yugoslavia.

The end

President Booeyne Un Liberate of Mexico

When did I say that Catholics are oppressed? The Holy War is only against Bosnian Muslims and Romans.

It is not the end: you still have a chance, o President of Mexico. As stated the Catholics are not targeted by the Yugoslavians. Why the problem?

Keep in mind you are proving to be useless: does your word hold stone if your so set to betray? Repent and this may change! Strive for forgiveness and denounce your war declaration against Yugoslavia.

 

[Civ'ed]

OOC: Right this is the last time I'm ever getting involved in diplomacy involving an Italian and a Byzantine.

 

[christos200]

Ilias Psinakis: An "extreme" Politician

​

Are all politicians bureaucratic boring people? Absolutely not! The Great Leader Ilias Psinakis is a politician who likes extreme sports. He rides horses, he climbs tall mountains, he wrestles with bears. He gives the good example to Yugoslav citizens: that they should be athletic like their Great Leader.

Yesterday, he rode a horse in Macedonia and showed his excellent riding skills. The horse was more stubborn than Bucephalus, however, Ilias Psinakis, like a new Alexander the Great, forced it into submission. This great achievement has been uploaded to Youtube and nearly 5,000,000 people liked it instantly. What's more? Ilias Psinakis also took part in a horse race competition and made it first despite the fact that his opponents were the best riders in all of Yugoslavia. What a great achievement of the Great Leader!

The Great Leader also made a fly to Hungary to rally the soldiers in the Western Front. He shaked hand with many soldiers and listened to their personal stories. He also overviewed the "Defensive Line I" which was able to stop the Italian advance. The line was completed in only two months thanks to the efforts of the 2,900,000 Gulag prisoners, of which 900,000 died during the construction. The Defensive Line is perhaps one of the greatest achievements in fortifications in human history and is the pride of all Yugoslavians.

Ilias Psinakis also met the Catholic Bishops of Hungary and managed to persuade them to also declare a Holy War against the Bosnian Muslims and the heretic Romans. After pleading by the soldiers, he has also assumed direct control of the Western Front and he is now residing in Hungary. However, he has stated that he shall fly to Belgrade thrice each week (Monday, Friday, Sunday) with his private Presidential Jet and the rest days he shall communicate with his Ministers through Skype.

The Parliament of Belgrade has also granted Ilias Psinakis the title of Grand Marshall of the Workers and now, as Supreme Commander of the Western Front, he shall once again defeat the Italians and make sure that Hungary becomes the graveyard of Italy.

 

[Sonereal]

OOC: i don't like you. stop arguing please, you make this game very unfun for me.

I will respond to the rest of your post in a newsletter post tonight, but I will say this. Your IC response that IC report is the reason why countries do not like engaging with Rome diplomatically. Your conduct is extremely unbecoming of a head of state, and I question your government's ability to take actions toward meaningful reform when fair critcism, critcism I have seen from other heads of state, is attacked in such an unproductive, petty way.

If your actions in character can't stand up to judgement in-character, that is on you. I am just an editor to an online foreign policy paper, but you're an emperor. You have, more or less, proven all my points about Rome's inept foreign policy and diplomatic corps, and tonight's editorial rebuttal to your latest outbursts will show that.

For a lot of players, a head of state who is extremely petty in diplomatic circles and prone to emotional outbursts isn't fun, especially when that head of state is posting at over twice the rate of most players, and even the GM. As of last night, you have double the posts of Christos, and half his public image success. Responding to your latest points will be a chore, since they display a very poor understanding of how the real world works. I may not be Masada, but I am an econ minor who reads this stuff for fun. I can safely say I know more about how economics works than you. It would be like me telling CivO he doesn't know how biology works or trying to tutor Mechaerik on compsci or Omega on her espionage work.

I stand by my post. I feel that I contributed something meaningful and that I am well positioned to at least debate all the points I raised. You resorted to petty insults both IC and OOC and I demand an apology. The only reason I am replying to your other points and earlier points isn't because I think they're valid IC or OOC, but out of respect for your position as a head of state, but if the discourse doesn't improve, I will snub you and it will be no secret that the Emperor of Turky isn't being taken serious by my publications any longer when it comes to policy debate.

Your country wasn't even uniquely targeted in the article. Get over yourself.

 

[KaiserElectric]

Second warning guys. Keep it civil or I'm going to have to take drastic action.