Kashmir

[Jehoshua]

To: Arabia
From: The Empire of Babylon and the Levant and Aksum, for whom we speak.

We offer peace on the following terms:

-You will refuse to invade any participants in this war for a period of 50 years (two turns).
-You will abandon all affiliation with the fallen Ghassanid Empire.
-Aksum and Babylon will cease any harsh treatment of Christians within their borders.
-A tribute of 5 EP will be sent to Babylon, and 3 to Aksum.
-You will recognize the legitimacy of Babylonian rule in the Levant and Aksumite rule over Alodia.

These are negotiable, and may be changed if not accepted.

To: Babylon
From: Arabia

rejected on all terms.

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ooc: @GM: Trade/lands income should probably be increased a tad more imo since I now have access to the trade routes to india/Persia to offset the shutting down of the red-sea trade routes due to war (and for the obvious massive increase in productive land holdings seeing as Babylon basically got nothing of value from me). I started with 13 gold, and Mazun had 8 which is 21, not accounting for the conquest of the Nedjd and the taking over of salalah and hadramaut and the Rub-al-Khali caravan routes. So even if you void any natural trade gains (indian trade from the Persian gulf/salalah nullifying the shutting down of red sea trade due to the destruction of our minimal navy and axumite control of the straits of aden) and take into account the minor conquests of land of little value Arabia should be earning more than the 16 gold you say its earning, particularly considering it has increased in stability (which ipso facto should mean increased state power, and thus more efficient taxation and earning of income). I'd say Arabia should be earning at least 19 at a minimum, and more reasonably in the low twenties when it comes to gold.

 

[Arrow Gamer]

Except for you know your whole coast being blockaded and the loss of lands in the north. And the loss of Ghassanid trade. Also hordes don't really trade.

 

[Jehoshua]

Last I recalled we were in late antiquity, the technology to blockade thousands of miles of Arabian coastline in the Persian gulf and around south arabia does not exist at present (at best Babylon could play pirate in the Persian gulf [sharjah is at the other end of it incidentally from Babylonian territory], and Salalah is pretty much open sailing to india at present). The red sea yes because of Axumite strategic supremacy over the straits (and while it is accurate for you to say that Ghassanid trade has been cut, that's really just a part of the same trade route along the red-sea/Hejaz given that Arabia doesn't produce much in the way of domestic goods (unless they're sheep/date related ) so it shouldn't be taken separately [the trade was going from Axum, through us, into the Mediterranean rather than being a product of stuff coming from us]).

Your point about hordes is simplistic and a non-sequiter, so I won't bother giving a detailed rebuttal.

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Also, my point regarding increased stability, and the vast increase in land holdings (northern lands lost being compensated for multiple times over, not to mention its all non-productive desert he took from me) remains, and that enough would even if one takes your point on face value merit I think a higher overall income all things given than the 16 (noting its an increase from a base of 13) currently allocated (somewhere between 17-20 if we keep current trade values).

 

[Mickzter97]

To: Jin Kingdom and Baejke
From: Gur Khaan II of the Rouran Khanate

The new Khaan would like to put an end to this war. He offers the following treaty:

1. All war will end and peace will last for a minimum of 50 years (2 turns).

2. The Jin Kingdom will pay the Rouran Khanate 10EP. Baejke will pay 5EP.

3. All parties will recognize current borders as legitimate.

4. The Jin Kingdom's army size may not exceed 25 companies for the duration of the treaty.

For the sake of peace I urge you to agree.

 

[cpm4001]

To:The Kingdom of Aksum
From: Shido I Jeyte, King of Yibram
We request your permission to begin the construction of a settlement and trading base on Socotra. Do we have said permission?

Of course you may establish yourself on Socotra without contest from us, though we would, naturally, expect our merchants to be treated courteously while trading there...

 

[christos200]

- Xiang Yaoshi, Imperial Chancellor of Great Sung​

Emperor Qianlong has appointed Xiang Yaoshi, son of aristocrat and retired official Xiang Ming, Imperial Chancellor. Xiang Yaoshi, being only 32 years old, is closer to the age of Emperor Qianlong than other Ministers, who are in their 50's or older. That allows him to have a much closer and friendlier relation with the Emperor compared to other Ministers. Xiang Yaoshi is known as a hardworking, some would call him workaholic, and efficient official. Unlike other Ministers, his reports to the Emperor are short but always clear as to what their message is and he does not try to impress him with literature like reports and calligraphy. And the most incredible fact is that Xiang Yaoshi is not even a true aristocrat.

He was an orphan and a beggar until the age of 13. As he was wandering in a forest, he was shot by an arrow. It was the arrow of Xiang Ming, one of the richest aristocrats of Great Sung, who was on a hunting expedition. Unlike most aristocrats, who are generally snobbish and do not view well the Sung Emperors' care for the peasants, Xiang Ming has always been warm and friendly. He took pity on the boy and took him to his house so he could be treated by his private doctor. When the boy woke up, he impressed Xiang Ming with his intelligence. As Xiang Ming, due to an illness, could not have a child, he decided to adopt the boy. So, Yaoshi became Xiang Yaoshi.

He was send to one of the universities constructed under Yang Guo's supervision. Yang Guo, the enlightened Chancellor, was a role model for the young man, who had come to posses the finest manners under the guidance of his foster father and looked like a real aristocrat. Being a fine hardworking young man with good manners, great ambition and a quick mind, he was promoted to Governor of Liao. Liao had been conquered by Yang Guo and now is a Sung province. As Governor of Liao, he improved trade in the region and executed corrupted officials. Thus, he impressed the young Emperor Qianlong, who made him Minister of Knowledge, the Minister who manages the affairs of universities.

Xiang Yaoshi, only 27 years old at that time, impressed even his most critical opponents by his management of that Ministry. After only a year in that Ministry, the Emperor called him to the Palace to talk privately. Unlike other Ministers, during this talk, Xiang Yaoshi informed the Emperor of his shortcomings and flaws and how he should correct them instead of flattering him. Emperor Qianlong had always wanted to hear something critical from an other person instead of the usual boring flattery. So, he promoted Xiang Yaoshi to Secretary of Finances.

At that office, Xiang Yaoshi increased state revenues. Now, at the age of 32, he is Imperial Chancellor and the second most powerful man in the Empire. In some ways, he resembles Yang Guo, who was also a powerful and influential Chancellor. If Xiang Yaoshi will be as successful as Yang Guo, only time can tell.

 

[SouthernKing]

Thanks!

To: the Kingdom of Pontus
From: the Confederacy of Hellas

We congratulate you on your liberation of your lands from the hands of the Babylonians, and welcome you back to independence. In keeping with this, its is clear that the hands of Babylon are not to be scorned, and as such we offer you an alliance and pact of friendship against a future invasion by the Babylonians.

To: Hellas
From: Pontus

Thank you, and agreed. The Babylonian leviathan must be stopped.

To: Jin Kingdom and Baejke
From: Gur Khaan II of the Rouran Khanate

The new Khaan would like to put an end to this war. He offers the following treaty:

1. All war will end and peace will last for a minimum of 50 years (2 turns).

2. The Jin Kingdom will pay the Rouran Khanate 10EP. Baejke will pay 5EP.

3. All parties will recognize current borders as legitimate.

4. The Jin Kingdom's army size may not exceed 25 companies for the duration of the treaty.

For the sake of peace I urge you to agree.

To: Rouran
From: Jin

We wish for peace, but not a peace that leaves us as your tributaries. If you removed #2 then perhaps we would accept this.

(I'm not going to respond for Baekje, because someone has told me they're interested in taking them and thus I'd rather not)

ooc: @GM: Trade/lands income should probably be increased a tad more imo since I now have access to the trade routes to india/Persia to offset the shutting down of the red-sea trade routes due to war (and for the obvious massive increase in productive land holdings seeing as Babylon basically got nothing of value from me). I started with 13 gold, and Mazun had 8 which is 21, not accounting for the conquest of the Nedjd and the taking over of salalah and hadramaut and the Rub-al-Khali caravan routes. So even if you void any natural trade gains (indian trade from the Persian gulf/salalah nullifying the shutting down of red sea trade due to the destruction of our minimal navy and axumite control of the straits of aden) and take into account the minor conquests of land of little value Arabia should be earning more than the 16 gold you say its earning, particularly considering it has increased in stability (which ipso facto should mean increased state power, and thus more efficient taxation and earning of income). I'd say Arabia should be earning at least 19 at a minimum, and more reasonably in the low twenties when it comes to gold.

I looked into this further and realized that Arabia (the Najd specifically) was rather more fertile and valuable than I had thought, so I agree with you, at least in regards to land income. I have edited the stats accordingly.

 

[Mickzter97]

To: Jin Kingdom
From: Gur Khaan II of the Rouran Khanate

The Khaan feels you are in little position to negotiate such terms. We are willing to reduce the amount to 5EP. This is a small price to pay for the future of your people.

 

[SouthernKing]

To: Rouran Khanate
From: Jin Kingdom

Your arrogance astounds us. We have beaten back your hordes twice, and we shall readily do so a third time should you try again. We will not bow down to you as a tributary, and that is that.

To: Hirajima Kingdom
From: Jin Kingdom

Seeing the growing threat to our north, we are interested in securing an alliance. What say you?

To: Great Sung
From: Kamarupa

Greetings. We may be a humble and distant state to you, but still we are interested in establishing relations with the Emperor of All Under Heaven.

To: Hellas
From: Svearia

Though the Bulgars are weakened, they still pose a threat, one that grows each day they grow stronger. Therefore, we are interested in potentially securing an alliance with the Tyrant of Athens.

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And to prevent further confusion:

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[JohannaK]

13. I can't count

 

[Mickzter97]

To: Jin Kingdom
It is not wise to anger a Khaan. You dare defy one of the greatest empires in the world? In just 50 years we've nearly tripled in size. The Ashina, Synabi, Uyghurs and half of your petty Kingdom could not keep us out. Now you will face the full wrath of the Rouran Khanate. Your King's and Queens will burn in a fire so great even the God of Chaos would be struck at its awesome power. The Khaan will give you one more chance. Accept the treaty or accept doom.

Ooc: A small error in the stats I noticed. My army size is 38 but in the parentheses it shows 47. And Mori isn't in the religion section.
Also am I at war with the Kushan?

 

[SouthernKing]

Jin refuses again.

OOC: Oops, thanks for pointing that out, I'll fix that. Mori is there, though: "Religion: Mori (40%)"
You're not at war with the Kushans, if only because neither of you two has invaded the other. Of course, that could change easily.

Indeed, I can't count is my personal favorite nation in the game. You could join as it if you wanted, Joan?

 

[Mickzter97]

I meant in world religions

 

[SouthernKing]

I meant in world religions

Oh, sorry. I will add it right away then.

 

[Omega124]

From Ishfania
To Britanny

You should rethink your association with the slave trade, particularly Christian slaves. Our strong opinions on that subject should be well known.

To: Ishfania, Britanny
From: Dal Riata
CC: Petty Irish States

You can complain about slavery of Christians when you followers of the false nailed god get off of our ancestral homelands and stop persecuting our people. We were fine until you Latins and Germans and whoever the hell else came over to invade our island, whether pen or sword.

That goes for you too, Drowned "Goddess" followers.

 

[Lokki242]

Of course you may establish yourself on Socotra without contest from us, though we would, naturally, expect our merchants to be treated courteously while trading there...

Of course! All of your ships, regardless of type, would be treated with the utmost respect.

 

[christos200]

From: Emperor of All Under Heaven, the Illustrious and Majestic Qianlong
To: Chief of Kamarupa

The Son of Heaven, the Illustrious and Majestic Emperor Qianlong, has been notified of your request for further relations between the Great Sung and your chiefdom and is open to that idea. The Great Sung is willing to promote further trade between our two peoples and is also interested in protecting Kamarupa from foreign invasions. We await your response.

 

[SouthernKing]

To: Great Sung
From: Kamarupa

We agree. We'd be particularly interested in ensuring that the potential trade route over the mountains between our country and yours is secure and able to be travelled.

 

[christos200]

From: Emperor of All Under Heaven, the Illustrious and Majestic Qianlong
To: Chief of Kamarupa

The Great Sung shall send an expedition to secure that trade route from bandits.

 

[Mickzter97]

To: Bactria and Scythia
From: Gur Khaan II of the Rouran Khanate

Greetings to my new neighbours. We offer a trade agreement to help further connections from the East and will make our economies grow.

To: Kushans

We hope that our relations are not unpleasant. To help further our relations we offer you the above trade agreement.

To: Northern Tarim Basin States

The Khaan is happy to protect you and in addition he wants to improve relations. We ask for the daughter of a royal chief to wed Gur Khaan II's eldest son. She will be part of an esteemed court.
Additionally we also ask for a trade agreement and reduced tariffs from trade in the Silk Road.