Keldath addons

[mrgenie]

im using the
Keldath WR
Patch 2
missiles patch


without walls, no CTD

how i came up with that?
well, rational thinking, i was looking through the cities of alan, what has he build, what did the AI build,
then i checked my map, looked at differences, wrote them down on a small paper in front of me,
and then ruled out everything that i had build as a cause of CTD(since i havent had CTD)
then i had a list as mentioned before what was different..then assumes great walls and artemis be the reasons, since they effect
combat in all cities, didnt got a crash though,....soi i replaced the walls= CTD
to rule out a problem between walls and wonders, i then restared the game, this time
no wonders at all...only 1 city with just walls..and i got a CTD..
to do the test..i loaded my savegame..planted walls in a city of the USA..tried my attacks again..
DANG CTD...so it's the walls obviously...99% sure

 

[mrgenie]

maybe...at your merging..you made not only 1 mistake, but more? or compatibility between buildings of the modpack and buildings of warlords is not 100%....so it might be not only the walls..maybe there are several things causing CTD...walls is 1 of them...at least walls are affecting the CTD...
so, release a patch without walls..and we play again..if CTD happens again..we'll have to troubleshoot the next cause of CTD

 

[blipadouzi]

I'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned this or not...

But in the SevoMod+ files, there is a Trudeau leaderhead for the Canadian Civ.

However, in game, in the leader selection screen...Trudeau is not available for selection. Neither in the Play Now section or in the Custom Game section.


Oh, and a question from a newbie......what does CTD stand for? I mean, what exactly is a CTD?

 

[mrgenie]

Crash To Desktop

 

[keldath]

ctd means a very annoying this, that we really realy hate,
and can sometimes can make the blood come to your head,
it makes you feel like you wanna expload,
and it feels like you waste time on nothnig and all your work is for nothing, despite all the effort you did - nothing seem to go as it should, and you have to bust your ass searching through tons of codes for somtimes a small misspell of a value or a lost word in the file - which causes the game
to cruch to desktop - c.t.d .......


mrgeanie,

i dont know,
i looked at the walls -but i dont see anything wrong.
ill try to play with no walls,

meanwhile, can you test your game with sevo only patch?
know this - save your xml files before you install it - cause if you reinsltall the missile patch - it wont work.

ill chek thecanadian leader - but first we must fix the game play

 

[mrgenie]

ok, when i attack in my savegame with walls, there is no CTD...

 

[mrgenie]

maybe, it is caused by the combination of Artemis-Great wall wonder etc...but when i take away the great wall..the walls on the map remain...so, maybe something went wrong before ...im going to test my own savegame to attack my own cities with and without walls...with wonders build..to see if it reoccurs..

 

[mrgenie]

wierd..I dont seem to be able to CTD my game

 

[mrgenie]

just re-installed the nod exactly as described - and bang CTD on melee attack on city - bombarding is fine exactly the old civ way - i wonder if somehow there still some Dale's mod stacking or combat determination code in there - perhap best thing is just a fresh original mod merge not including anything from Dales Mod at all - using Missile patch atm going to try install with sevo only

ehm...did you load your SAVEGAME???????????????
since I really start to think again, that you people somehow installed the wrong way...and got corrupted savegames..which also crash when i load them with the mod properly installed...
any deleting the walls or whatever..is just disabling the wrong things in your corrupted installations..since really..i started a game from scratch..and everything that causes CTD at your computers..does NOT cause CTD on my computer...

 

[mrgenie]

Kel, im not sorry, but happy to notify you...your missile patch is crash save!! i cannot crash my savegame...I think axil just loaded his savegame..and of course it crashed.

btw, i can pass axils savegame also by deleting the walls..

axil...keldath WR
patch 2
missile patch


nothing else..start from scratch..and then tell me you didn't get a CTD? since really..i cannot get a CTD..if you get a CTD again..im happy if you mail me the savegame then...since whatever i do..i just dont seem to be able to crash my savegame..i wish i could...would help me to figure out what is causing it..but right now..i really tend to believe you just loaded your savegame(which indeed crashes even if you install the mod correctly, just because the savegame is corrupted already)

here's my savegame..see if you can crash it..and tell me or kel how you managed to crash it

 

[keldath]

"your missile patch is crash save"?

didnt understand what you ment,

so the patch for missiles is bad right?


anyway - i just came across a wierd thing - in my game the aborigines,
have a wierd unit - "pinch spcial forces navy seals"

which i do not know where it came from????
its so wierd!!!!

maybe we are looking this thing all wrong -perhaps the foul is in gir mod?

i should have tested everything step by step.

in my game also - i didnt see walls that may interupt -except the great walls.

i have to go to work now,
try my other patch -
ill be ho,e in 9 hours,
so...lets hope for some good news.

bye

 

[Axil]

yep i loaded the save game i had ( sorry should have said) . Mr Genie's right it is the walls . bombard and melee attck work fine against non wall cities. I've reinstalled the mod exactlt how Mr Genie said to ( I hope and am in the middle of a war - enemy have 2 cities left on with walls one without so should be able to see if walls is definitely the key - I've got missile patch on this install two - if it crashes I'll try a sevo only game

 

[keldath]

ok axil - thanks,

try to tell if your enemy has great walls - perhaps this is the issue,

im not sure about the walls - it might be because of the great wall

 

[Arlborn]

Great wall is a big change for warlords, perhaps you missed or did mess up something about the great wall and it even affect the cities with wall but no great wall?

<just thinking, family's gf here, cant play lol>

 

[Axil]

ok attacking against a city with no wall but cultural defense bonus = NO ctd

attacking against a city with wall and cultural defense bonus = no CTD with bombard , , CTD with melee

attacking against a city with wall and no cultural defense bonus = no CTD with bombard , , CTD with melee

That's with the missile patch plus the great wall has been built in my game - i'll remove it and see what happens

EDIT ok removing it doesn't work - though the great wall no longer shows in the city it was built in it shows up on map even after a save and reload and the the melee attack still CTDs - could the Great wall possible be a bad script or perhap it tags all walls as having the GW bonus which then gets the game confused and hence CTD

BTW the nation I was attacking did not have the GW but it had been built on an undiscovered continent by the dutch

 

[Lord_of_War]

Morning gang,

After reading the posts regarding the possibilities of (1) walls or (2) The Great Wall I have a question: Please keep in mind that I am in no way a modder of any sort, but could there be something wrong with The Great Wall and the way Sevo implemented it [I believe he used it to provide walls in all cities] and the way Warlords implements it [prevents Barbs from entering borders]?

 

[Lord_of_War]

Another thing I noticed, but not from the game itself. I was poking around the Total Realism thread and I noticed the following:

Purger.
From what Ive read the problem is caused from Dales combat mod- where an AI unit will be using a land based unit to bombard either a land tile square or a city with a naval ship inside it- from what I understand this causes a loop in the turn where the ai cannot continue or end its turn so you get the ctd.

Are you at a period in time where a civ has access to catapults or trebuchets?

I believe this is being worked on for correction.

This was taken from post 1748 on page 88 in regards to someone encountering a CTD over there as well. Maybe our CTD over here has something to do with this as well? Or it could just be that I'm completely off my rocker. . . .

 

[Jozef]

Keldath, help!

i installed all the patches on proper order (just a sevo only patch, not missles)

But the game crashed about 640 AD

 

[Lord_of_War]

Hey Jozef,

This is something we are all working on to fix. We are not having any luck finding the exact cause of the CTD.

 

[Jozef]

i erased the Great Wall, but that doesnt help