Kerch strait crisis

A Russian court has sentenced the Ukrainian sailors to two months in gaol.
Earlier this year, Ukraine detained Russian fishing boat in Berdyansk. AFAIK a few months ago they were still holding sailors (two of them managed to escape somehow through Belorussia). Perhaps captives will be exchanged.

May be they will exchange boats too, but Russian one was a rusty trough, not worth bothering about.
 
The Nord most likely has little value.
 
Earlier this year, Ukraine detained Russian fishing boat in Berdyansk. AFAIK a few months ago they were still holding sailors (two of them managed to escape somehow through Belorussia). Perhaps captives will be exchanged.

May be they will exchange boats too, but Russian one was a rusty trough, not worth bothering about.

Quite interesting. Ukrainian jail security is a joke.
 
Quite interesting. Ukrainian jail security is a joke.
They weren't in jail, Ukraine fined them and didn't allow to go back to Russia, stopped them at the border. They had to live on a boat full of spoiled fish for several weeks .
Funny part is that sailors had passports issued in Crimea and considered themselves Russian citizens, while Ukrainian court insisted they were Ukrainians.
Two of them somehow crossed Belarussian border and from there, they of course were free to go home.

Just read the news, last seven people were exchanged in October 30, so they were held by Ukraine for more than half a year.
 
Wait there was a bribe scandal in Crimea and the removal of Crimea goverment ?
Here we were all distracted by the clown in the white house
Has the bridge been completed yet ?
And isnt Crimea still dependent on Ukraine for fresh water ?

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Didn't you see Putin driving a truck across the bridge.
 
Evil Russia did the right thing - caught and punished corrupt officials? What a nonsense. Can't be true.

I would consider this amusing two years ago, but nowdays with the US in the state it is and experiencing open corruption its not so much funny anymore
The point is rampant and open corruption in Russian government is pretty much the norm, when officials are removed for corruption generally are the people on the losing side of a power struggle. It seems Putins HAND PICK governor for crimea imported Russian style governing Corruption. Perhaps the next Putin hand pick governor will do better ?


SEVASTOPOL, Crimea — More than three years after Russia snatched Crimea from Ukraine, the peninsula is suffering through an extended season of discontent.

Shady, Kremlin-appointed bureaucrats are proving to be just as corrupt and inept as their Ukrainian predecessors. International sanctions, shrugged off in the heady days after the Russian annexation, have jacked up food prices while endlessly complicating ordinary aspects of life, like banking and travel.

Perhaps most galling to Crimeans, the government is hauling thousands of residents into court to confiscate small land holdings distributed free as a campaign ploy in 2010 when Ukraine controlled the Black Sea peninsula.

“I supported reunification because I thought that with Russia’s arrival things would improve,” said Lenur A. Usmanov, a rare outspoken Kremlin partisan from the Tatar minority who has since become a serial protester. “But there is no change.”
Yevgeny V. Dzhemal, an activist lawyer fighting the mass land expropriation, put it even more succinctly: “They were bastards under Ukraine, too. Nothing has changed.”

Locals largely focus on different complaints. They invariably denigrate the new bureaucrats as carpetbaggers, using the word “varyagi” in Russian, an old word for Viking outsiders, especially when it comes to land confiscation.

The city of Sevastopol claims that it must repossess at least 10,000 plots to help create a rational development plan. The owners howl that the “mass land grab” will benefit crooked developers and senior officials who covet what when stitched together amounts to sprawling tracts of choice seaside property.

“Nobody thought it would be as bad, with issues emerging suddenly like the land plots,” said Roman Kiyashko, the burly Communist Party candidate for governor whose campaign slogan, “Your man from Sevastopol,” emphasized his native roots. “Russian officials act like an elephant in a china shop. They just implement their policies with no feedback.”

“Stones can fall from the sky as long as we live in our Motherland,” said Oleg Nikolaev, a successful restaurateur, quoting a Russian expression.

In Sevastopol, the main target of local ire is Dmitri Ovsyannikov, 40, one of a new, nationwide generation of young governors. Appointed acting governor by Mr. Putin last year, he has alienated many Sevastopolians by filling virtually every administrative post with fellow Moscow imports. Even some local officials who support Mr. Putin wonder privately why the president picked someone so aloof.

They say government jobs have become a license to steal or extort, with wave after wave of officials across Crimea dismissed for corruption or incompetence, even more than under Ukraine. Russia is pouring money onto the peninsula — $650 million last year — and the scale of corruption has expanded accordingly, experts said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/world/europe/crimea-annexation-russia-ukraine.html
 
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well , well didn't ı say a week before that ı would not fight for the Ukranian Coast Guard ? Hmm , maybe that's why Putin could dare ? Hmm , NATO speaks tough , you know , as if we would show up on the day . We really should , but on the wrong side or whatever !
 
I would consider this amusing two years ago, but nowdays with the US in the state it is and experiencing open corruption its not so much funny anymore
The point is rampant and open corruption in Russian government is pretty much the norm
Well, I can judge about corruption in US or Russian government only by the news when officials are arrested or jailed. But you seem to have inside information from both governments. You must be a very influential person.

I remember last time Yeekim told me about arrest of high-ranking official in Estonia, that it was a sign that the state fights against corruption. And I agreed with him.
But when the same thing happens in Russia, this is apparently a sign of "rampant and open corruption" :)

well , well didn't ı say a week before that ı would not fight for the Ukranian Coast Guard ? Hmm , maybe that's why Putin could dare ? Hmm , NATO speaks tough , you know , as if we would show up on the day . We really should , but on the wrong side or whatever !
One of Ukrainian captains actually demonstrated high skill and lightning fast reaction.
He surrendered before Russian coastal guard opened fire.
 
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Well, I can judge about corruption in US or Russian government only by the news when officials are arrested or jailed. But you seem to have inside information from both governments. You must be a very influential person.

I remember last time Yeekim told me about arrest of high-ranking official in Estonia, that it was a sign that the state fights against corruption. And I agreed with him.
But when the same thing happens in Russia, this is apparently a sign of "rampant and open corruption" :)

Urhhhhhh, Maybe this is a good sign ? My condolence to Col Shishkina I was googling to see if anti-corruption efforts were improving the country.
I dont know how close the governor of Crimea was to Putin, but I assume the post of governing Crimea would be pretty important and Putin would not have hand picked just anyone. Having the hand pick governor of Crimea resign over corruption isnt exactly a great result for the Russian government.
Russia's top female anti-corruption officer is shot dead in the street
Oct 12, 2018 - Anti corruption officer Colonel Yevhenia Shishkina was shot dead leaving her apartment in Arkhangelskoye on the outskirts of Moscow.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...anti-corruption-officer-shot-dead-street.html
 
My condolence to Col Shishkina
I doubt you actually care about her.
Russian serviceman killed on duty is rather a reason to be glad for you.

Having the hand pick governor of Crimea resign over corruption isnt exactly a great result for the Russian government.
There is no such thing as "hand picked governor of Crimea".
Prime minister of Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov, was appointed by the State Council of Crimea in October 2014. And never resigned since then.
 
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Well, corruption is tricky to measure, so people measure perception of corruption.
This is not exactly inside information.
There are many different ratings related to corruption.
World Bank's "Ease of Doing Business" places Russia 35-th in the world, next to Japan and ahead of many EU states.

“There has been a demonstration of a sustained and clear commitment in Russia to improve the business climate for domestic small and medium enterprises. Much success has been achieved in recent years. Indeed, in this year’s ease of doing business global ranking of 190 economies, Russia comes in at 35th place. This compares with the 124th position just seven years ago”
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/p...mprove-business-climate-doing-business-report
 
There are many different ratings related to corruption.
World Bank's "Ease of Doing Business" places Russia 35-th in the world, next to Japan and ahead of many EU states.


https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/p...mprove-business-climate-doing-business-report

Um “ease of doing business” might just be indicative of more corruption not less. If you don’t have any regulation other then paying Tom to look the other way while you fleece a town, that makes business easier. It still means you are corrupt. I’d imagine that’s the exact kind of thing you’d find when comparing say Russia to a eu nation right now.
 
Analysis of the situation by N. Petro, political analyst from the University of Rhode Island.
Ukraine’s Pinochet Scenario
Did President Poroshenko use a clash with Russia to try to shut down internal opposition?
By Nicolai N. Petro YESTERDAY 7:00 AM

At first glance, Russia’s seizure of three Ukrainian warships that attempted to enter the Sea of Azov seems to follow a familiar pattern of aggression aimed at solidifying control over the annexed Crimean peninsula. Upon closer inspection, however, there is much more going on here than a dispute over transit rights.

By firing upon the Ukrainian vessels, Russia violated the December 2003 agreement on cooperative use of the Sea of Azov, which clearly provides for the unimpeded transit of both military and commercial ships of either country. This was immediately condemned by Washington and other Western capitals.

But it is worth noting that this agreement is explicitly tied to the 1997 Treaty of Friendship between the two countries. Indeed, when Ukraine withdrew from this treaty this past September, many Ukrainian legal experts warned that it would actually undermine Ukraine’s legal standing in the event of a border dispute. In October, therefore, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko unilaterally issued a set of directives delimiting Ukraine’s new border in the Azov and Black seas. Little noted at the time, these also apparently contained “an extensive secret section in the form of directives to the Council for National Security and Defense” to be carried out within the next 30 days.

This is where the president’s response to the latest incident becomes interesting. Within hours of the Russian military action, Poroshenko managed to convene his war cabinet, got it to propose martial law nationwide, and demanded that the Rada (Ukraine’s parliament) approve it. No other crisis—not even the presence of Russian troops in Donbass and Crimea—has ever evoked such a draconian response. The decision to do so now, at the onset of the presidential campaign, therefore raised enormous suspicions.

For the first time ever, a broad political coalition challenged the president. Three former presidents of Ukraine penned an open letter to the parliament saying that the only reason martial law is even being considered is because of the upcoming elections, which is why “the majority of society believes that, in this way, democracy will be restricted.”

In a recent online interview, opposition parliamentarian Nestor Shufrich describes how the leader of the Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko, and presidential front-runner Yulia Timoshenko literally stormed the dais where Poroshenko was speaking, demanding to see the text of the martial-law decree that they were supposed to vote on. When Poroshenko replied, “You’ll just have to take me at my word,” the meeting disintegrated into jeers and personal insults hurled at the president.

It is a sign of the president’s current political standing that he was unable to pass his proposal through a parliament that is largely controlled by the party that carries his name. To preserve a united front, and salvage the dignity of the presidency, a compromise was proposed and, after a hasty phone call between Poroshenko and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, adopted. Poroshenko was forced to cut back his proposal for martial law from two months to one month, and was permitted to implement it in only 10 regions of the country. He was also forced to set a firm date for presidential elections: March 31, 2019.

We will probably never know if this latest conflict with Russia was specifically designed to bolster Poroshenko’s plummeting political fortunes, but if it was, then like many of his other initiatives—restricting public use of the Russian language, disestablishing the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church and replacing it with a new “national church,” and curbing the rights of minorities to education in their native tongue—it seems to have exploded in his face. If Russia does not actually attack Ukraine now, Poroshenko will be widely mocked for raising unjustified fears and stoking economic and political chaos on the eve of the elections.

Opposition leader Shufrich triumphantly declared that the parliament beat back what he called Poroshenko’s “Pinochet scenario.” The battle, however, is still far from over, and it has already left new scars on the Ukrainian political landscape. As a result of this “victory,” all political activity in a third of the country will be suspended for at least a month. An extensive list of restrictions on public, private, and economic activities will be imposed, including military censorship on local media outlets. Conveniently for Poroshenko, the area under martial law coincides almost perfectly with the political base of the Opposition Bloc. It is also where the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) is strongest, where trade with Russia is most extensive, where Russian is the predominant language, and where Poroshenko’s political ratings are next to nil.

Still, it is hard to imagine any Western leader complaining very loudly about any of this. Trapped by their own anti-Russian rhetoric, dialogue with Russia, on Crimea or anything else, is clearly out of the question. Nor can they rein in Ukraine’s efforts to escalate the confrontation, for fear of being accused of condoning Russian aggression. As a result, hostilities in the region can only escalate, until Western leaders ask themselves whether Ukraine’s interest in conflict with Russia is really the same as their own.
https://www.thenation.com/article/ukraines-pinochet-scenario/
 
I doubt you actually care about her.
Russian serviceman killed on duty is rather a reason to be glad for you.

There is no such thing as "hand picked governor of Crimea".
Prime minister of Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov, was appointed by the State Council of Crimea in October 2014. And never resigned since then.

Why cant Russians acknowledge that corruption is a problem ? I wonder who could be powerful enough to order an assasination of a Col of the anti corruption police
The Irony isnt lost on the west which has its own troubles with corruption, posionings and rigged election no doubt some are eager to assign blame to foregin powers, but as we wake up to anothe FBI raid at deutchs bank it seems the rot was always there in the first place.

I stand corrected, the mayor of Sevestol has resigned amist corruption

Russia-Installed Head Of Crimea's Capital Removed

The Russia-installed mayor of the capital of the annexed Ukrainian region of Crimea has resigned at the request of the head of the region's Russian administration.
Simferopol municipal head Igor Lukashyov and his seven deputies stepped down on November 9, according to a press release from the office of the head of the Russian administration of Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov.
Moscow annexed the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 and installed its own administration there
Late last month, Aksyonov promised the shakeup, saying that the Simferopol authorities had overseen the "collapse" of city transport and waste management.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-installed-head-of-crimea-s-capital-removed/29593046.html
 
Why cant Russians acknowledge that corruption is a problem ?
May be because "Russians" acknowledged this, like, 100 times in other threads, while created this thread to discuss particular crisis in Kerch strait and its consequences?
 
May be because "Russians" acknowledged this, like, 100 times in other threads, while created this thread to discuss particular crisis in Kerch strait and its consequences?

Whats the "Russian" solution to this crisis? Just annex Crimea and block the eastern ports of Ukraine in perpetuity?
 
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