King of the World #17: Peter the Great

[Rubbaduck]

I think you should perhaps go straight for sailing after your food techs and maybe try to get your third city in Scandinavia, and after that continue you British expansion. Placing a blocker in the northern parts claiming the deer and the hills in the northernost areas would leave the rest of Scandinavia proper for you and give you a shot at Finland as well.

By the way, our economies here in Europe are hardly poor(GDP of EU: 18,387,785 , US: 14,441,425), it's just that we have a few countries more in here. Now I don't expect you to know every country in Europe as you hopefully don't expect me to know every US state(of which I do know many), but large areas such as Scandinavia one just should know(And considering it's mountainous nature, at leastnot confuse with the Netherlands, whose name implies a flat, lowlands place)

 

[IAM]

Not all Americans are ignorant of geography. Britain, Germany, France, Japan they are all an important part of the EU.

 

[CHEESE!]

How about a silly 2-city-Britain try? Sure, only 2 cities, but excellent cities: 2NW of current settler, and 2N1NE of that.

And as an added roleplaying joke, make no improvements in Ireland.

 

[Halt]

Not all Americans are ignorant of geography. Britain, Germany, France, Japan they are all an important part of the EU.

...And all of Europe fits inside little old Texas

 

[DerBürokrat]

By the way, our economies here in Europe are hardly poor(GDP of EU: 18,387,785 , US: 14,441,425), it's just that we have a few countries more in here. Now I don't expect you to know every country in Europe as you hopefully don't expect me to know every US state(of which I do know many), but large areas such as Scandinavia one just should know(And considering it's mountainous nature, at leastnot confuse with the Netherlands, whose name implies a flat, lowlands place)

I couldn't have said it better.

Also, its not our fault we don't know about international geography. Its really far away, and we try and not mention their poor economies so as to not make them feel bad.

To answer that I wanna quote Civ4, or to be more precise, Ali ibn Abi-Talib:

“There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.”

 

[madscientist]

Hell, I am American and I say we know all about Europe

1) We kicked Englands butt to get indepednece
2) We kicked Germany and Italy's butt in WWII
3) We kicked Austria/Hungary/Turkey's butt in WWI.
4) We kicked Spains Butt in the Spanish American War.
5) We kicked Russia and eastern Europe's butt in the cold war.
6) We would have kicked France's butt but they never wanted to go to war with us.
7) We could care less about scandenavia because frankly it's too cold and if we liked the cold Cannada would be state 51 whether they liked it or not.
8) We kicked Japan's butt in WWII, hey wait they aint in Europe!

Now Neal that I have ticked off the non-USA Civfanatics community, can you start the game before WWIII starts here!

 

[silentounce]

I think for the America game Neal should start off in England with express goal of moving the capital to the New World and then letting the English cities become freed colonies. That would make for an interesting game and would be close to historically accurate. Better than just starting off in America in Ancient times. The only other option I can think of would be to start in a later time period.

 

[madscientist]

I think for the America game Neal should start off in England with express goal of moving the capital to the New World and then letting the English cities become freed colonies. That would make for an interesting game and would be close to historically accurate. Better than just starting off in America in Ancient times. The only other option I can think of would be to start in a later time period.

Just follow this link!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=342802

 

[Yared]

I think you should perhaps go straight for sailing after your food techs and maybe try to get your third city in Scandinavia, and after that continue you British expansion. Placing a blocker in the northern parts claiming the deer and the hills in the northernost areas would leave the rest of Scandinavia proper for you and give you a shot at Finland as well.

I'm not so sure about that. Danish Jutland is one sea tile away from Swedish Scania. It's not impossible for the [insert German-replacement civ] to cross Øresund/Öresund and settle in Sweden.

The optimal is, in fact, to block southwards, then block the most northern part.

 

[DerBürokrat]

7) We could care less about scandenavia because frankly it's too cold ...

You wouldn't say that if you ever saw the women in Scandinavia!

 

[Rubbaduck]

I'm not so sure about that. Danish Jutland is one sea tile away from Swedish Scania. It's not impossible for the [insert German-replacement civ] to cross Øresund/Öresund and settle in Sweden.

The optimal is, in fact, to block southwards, then block the most northern part.

It's still on the same continent, so AFAIK the AI won't go there by ship. They will, though come for your unclaimed British lands if you get too carried away with continental expansion.

@Mad: Soon you won't be able to kick anyone's butt since don't know where they are. Also the USSR kicked it's own behind a whole lot more than anyone else. And you forgot some people, like the Native Americans and the Africans...

But whatever, point being it's always offensive and makes you look stupid if you don't have the slightest idea where someone's homeland is, provided it's not a small island in the pacific or something. Acting hostile or arrogant won't get you any friends either.

 

[madscientist]

@Mad: Soon you won't be able to kick anyone's butt since don't know where they are. .

I can't argue here!
There must be something about the desire of Americans to learn Geography. I always discuss world events with my kids and bring maps and a globe to show where places are. Sure enough the next week we go over it again. Frankly, geography just bores us Americans (I am not typical American for the record)!

 

[IAM]

In America we have a National geography learning plan. Whenever we need to learn about a place we invade it then find out where it is.

 

[Yared]

It's still on the same continent, so AFAIK the AI won't go there by ship.

*AI exploring Finland and noticing it's blocked -> AI settling through south Sweden;

*AI not exploring Finland (due to being blocked by [insert Russian replacement civ]-culture or due to laziness/scout going somewhere else] -> settling through south Sweden "just cuz" the land was free.

Or am I wrong?

Either way, settling both of them is a priority. (Though I myself would prefer to settle in the south first, just to take control of the Öresund-opening, and then settle north Norway to block it off completely. Then settle a city in the Stockholm area, just to exert culture pressure )

 

[Supp]

Hell, I am American and I say we know all about Europe

1) George Washington kicked Englands butt to get indepednece
2) Our awesome kicked Germany and Italy's butt in WWII
3) We Axe Rushed Austria/Hungary/Turkey's butt in WWI.
4) Orson Welles kicked Spains Butt in the Spanish American War.
5) Doctor Strangelove kicked Russia and eastern Europe's butt in the cold war.
6) We always kick France's butt but they never wanted to go to war with us.
7) We could care less about scandenavia because frankly it's too cold and if we liked the cold Canada would be state 51 whether they liked it or not.
8) We beelined Fission and got the Manhattan Project to drop nukes on Japan's butt in WWII, hey wait they aint in Europe!

Now Neal that I have ticked off the non-USA Civfanatics community, can you start the game before WWIII starts here!

Fixed.

 

[Insanity_X]

7) We could care less about scandenavia because frankly it's too cold and if we liked the cold Cannada would be state 51 whether they liked it or not.

Question Mad, wouldn't Alaska count as a cold state that the USA wanted (yell, you guys bought it off Russia)? So obviously you dont mind the cold, but yet you dont have Canada (eh). Therefore you I've concluded that you yankie doodles suck so much you cant conquer your half french, half english (i.e. cheese eating surrender monkeys with bad teeth) neighbours. So there .

 

[Supp]

Question Mad, wouldn't Alaska count as a cold state that the USA wanted (yell, you guys bought it off Russia)? So obviously you dont mind the cold, but yet you dont have Canada (eh). Therefore you I've concluded that you yankie doodles suck so much you cant conquer your half french, half english (i.e. cheese eating surrender monkeys with bad teeth) neighbours. So there .

Alaska isn't part of the union. The 50th state is confusion.

 

[madscientist]

Question Mad, wouldn't Alaska count as a cold state that the USA wanted (yell, you guys bought it off Russia)? So obviously you dont mind the cold, but yet you dont have Canada (eh). Therefore you I've concluded that you yankie doodles suck so much you cant conquer your half french, half english (i.e. cheese eating surrender monkeys with bad teeth) neighbours. So there .

Alaska is an American embarrassment and an aboration. Dont't believe, look at the 2008 republican Vice Presidential nominee.

 

[IAM]

Question Mad, wouldn't Alaska count as a cold state that the USA wanted (yell, you guys bought it off Russia)? So obviously you dont mind the cold, but yet you dont have Canada (eh). Therefore you I've concluded that you yankie doodles suck so much you cant conquer your half french, half english (i.e. cheese eating surrender monkeys with bad teeth) neighbours. So there .

Clearly you don't understand America; Alaska has gold and OIL!

 

[jamescat]

Alaska is also a nice vantage point to watch Russia, which you can see while standing on some of the Alaskan islands.

Who needs satellites?