King of the World, Open game, Chapter I :Hatshepsut

[cheffster]

After and ETERNITY of paying this game.... massing tanks and capping cities non-stop for the last 100 turns I finally got a domination victory. It was really fun for the first 90% of the game, then pure tedium.

Spoiler :

60k or so.. not horrible, but Im sure if I cav rushed in the renassaince I could have done much better.

yeah 26 hours of my life wasted

my army 1889

Another war scene, I eventually got all modern armors but was too lazy to take ss;s

http://files.filefront.com/Hatshepsut+CHeff+AD+1910+dSave/;8823621;/fileinfo.html

if ur curious I uploaded on filefront since something wasn't working on the manage attachments

as a side note... somehow I'm getting all these random popups on my PC, this never happened. I did dl full version of Limewire and Utorrent recently. But my IE setting to block them. Any advice to stop this?

stupid web isn't letting me attach my save, oh well.

 

[MrFelony]

you guys wanna do another one?

 

[mice]

Chefster, I just would like to know how you have plot lists with 16 units across.

 

[r_rolo1]

you guys wanna do another one?

I still haven't finished mine .... but I'm open to a second round. Must see who is next to Hatty on list...

 

[pawelo]

I still haven't finished mine .... but I'm open to a second round. Must see who is next to Hatty on list...

I'm keeping my time slot open to jump on this one asap
Gimme China or Monty

 

[illram]

Definitely up for another one.

 

[mutax2003]

King of the World, Open Game, Inca anyone? Only for those looking for a challenging game.

 

[MrFelony]

I'm currently enjoying going for an early immortal domination win with rome. that is a lot of fun . I think i might start the game over. even though i have the game by at the latest 1800 (hopefully, it's still about 4-500 years away), there were a lot of things that set back my world conquest. Like saladin getting LB's the TURN after i scouted him making sure he didnt have LBs (which he didnt) and then Cyrus getting them right after saladin double . that and i did a TERRIBLE rush against bismark in teh beginning which set back the rest of my european conquest i'm not sure how many turns :/

I'm willing to play almost any civ except mansa I HATE mansa's start. Every game I play poor Roosevelt is getting beat up by Montezuma, how about we teach Montey a lesson I have no idea what inca's start is like besides it's skinning and sucks lol. It does sound like a challenge though. Hatshepsut was a fun challenge. I would like to see If it would have been better to rush through europe after saladin instead of after cyrus and india. btw the civ thta comes after egypt is...India!

in order just for reference its Egpyt, India, Chinese, Greece, roman, persian, japanese, german, mongolian, french, arabian, spanish, english, russian, malinese, Incan, Aztec, american

 

[illram]

in order just for reference its Egpyt, India, Chinese, Greece, roman, persian, japanese, german, mongolian, french, arabian, spanish, english, russian, malinese, Incan, Aztec, american

Thanks for the list... just going in order looks like a good idea. If this continues I am definitely looking forward to China. Rome is always fun too. India would be interesting as there is a lot of jungle and you are boxed in by Cyrus and Qin Shi Huang.

Agree with Mali- thats the one civ on this map that really has an unplayable start. Inca is boxed in by Mountains, although they have all of south america to take over (but with loads of jungle).

It's really a credit to Rhye for making such a well balanced earth map that every civ save 1 has a playable and winnable start.

 

[r_rolo1]

Mansa start is winnable, but it is not trivial ( you need to make your second city in Morroco ( the iron site ) and axe rush Spain or Egypt or skirmisher rush to Egypt, both things that you wouldn't do without previous knowledge of the map. I put it in the same level than the Inca start.....

I'm thinking in launching the second instalement of this soon ( can finish my game later ) .... India seems a nice chalenge: good starting area but loads of jungle and very powerful and fast expanding neighbours... But a european start is a load of fun: the typical learning map for how to make a effective axe rush ( or two, or three.... )

 

[cheffster]

I'd love to have another game like this. Esp with Inca.

And please elaborate mice as to what you mean:
"Chefster, I just would like to know how you have plot lists with 16 units across."

I got bored with micromanagement at the end so idk..

 

[Morgrad]

But a european start is a load of fun: the typical learning map for how to make a effective axe rush ( or two, or three.... )

Only Germany starts with copper, though - everyone else has to beeline Iron Working, which isn't much of a "rush". Rome is just way too easy on this map, but any of the other European powers can be big fun.

Domination, by the way, is just pure tedium at the end of this one. It becomes unfun, so I never finish domination earth 18s.

 

[MrFelony]

@ cheffster, he was wonder how your stacks icons showed 16 wide i believe because they usually only regiter as 8 wide. (their picture icons in the middle lower area of the screen)

I think in terms of rushing europe, germany is the best, but for the best long haul world conquest rome takes the cake. I don't usually try immortal, but since the AI's are much weaker on earth 18 civ, i started playing it. germany is the only real problem for rome, since they'll have copper/axes before you can rush them.

so India it is? I think i'll play them a lil tonight

 

[mice]

@ cheffster, he was wonder how your stacks icons showed 16 wide i believe because they usually only regiter as 8 wide. (their picture icons in the middle lower area of the screen)

Yes, that's it.

Here's chefster's

usually they go 8 or 9 across. Handy for big big stacks like this. how's it done ?? ,

sorry for the off topic rolo

 

[MrFelony]

so i played a couple practice games as India and i'm not really sure which way to go. I might play this one on emperor soley so i can archer rush cyrus, which won't work on immortal since he gets them pretty early. Asoka starts with mysticism, but with the AI's tech rate it's too big of a gamble, if not impossible to get an early religion. I guess the best path is to just go

Hunting>AH>Agr>the wheel>pottery>BW>IW?

I'm going for pottery mainly because there is a lack of early commerce in this start and plan on putting cottages down to help speed up the research to IW. I also think i'm going to try to REX this jungle like crazy so i'm going to need some :comerce: to back it up. or do you guys think BW>IW would be better?

build

partial warrior (grow to size 2)>start worker>finish warrior>settler>warrior>warrior>settler>worker>warrior.

this is highly dependent on how where the builds fit into the research. but i think we'll only need 2 workers for every 3 cities, maybe less. by the time the first settler is out, most of the city should be improved.

 

[illram]

Here are shots of the India start for those of you that are curious or want to discuss it. (Attached, my imageshack wasn't working for some reason) I included the tech tree for reference. Mr Felony's tech path got me thinking about alternatives for this start; after a cursory look at this I can think of a few:

(For all the following, the turn count is based on 10 beakers per turn, the amount Delhi gets by settling in place and working the cow with 1 pop. Therefore multiply the turns by 10 for the approximate total beakers.)

AG-->AH-->writing-->BW-->IW

Go for libraries and scientists instead of cottages for early beakers. Based solely on the beaker count off the first turn, it takes 45 turns to get to writing via AG and AH, 42 if you go Hunting instead of AG. If you go AG instead of Hunting, you get the rice and the wheat and you can build farms, whereas with hunting you get the ivory and the scout. (Scout is pretty useless for this map IMO.) You also get AH quicker with hunting, but with less resources. With all the jungle, an extra health resource may be helpful for the 2nd city. Then again, the cows alone can fund two scientists... but how long can you really delay AG?

You could try

Poly-->AG-->wheel-->pottery-->PH-->BW-->IW

PH in the middle for an oracle run. Poly for hinduism. It's 47 turns to Pottery this way. Would taking IW off the oracle be a waste of the oracle? If you do that maybe it allows you to research other stuff. Don't know if Hinduism is feasible on Monarch and above on this map and this start. (On monarch maybe, though I probably won't try for it.)

The quickest route to commerce is wheel-->fishing-->pottery, at 33 turns, although fishing might not be that helpful off the bat here. Maybe it will, I can't remember but I believe there is fish to the west.

Quickest way to writing is med-->PH-->writing at 41 turns.

Quickest way to IW is obviously via BW. At 36 turns IW needs some extra beakers first.

I think you can settle to the west for your second city to stop Cyrus from encroaching, and then go east for the third city to block of Qin, who doesn't get there for a while. You then have the entire subcontinent of jungle for yourself and your fast workers.

Thoughts? As usual I am probably overlooking something obvious...

 

[MrFelony]

I'm currently playing an india start testing out what i planned. I ended up adding in fish because I founded my 2nd city on the ivory so it'd also get the iron when it popped up and the 3rd city I took a pretty crappy start to finish off blocking cyrus that basically just works 2-3 cottages until i got the sugar up. I was BARELY able to block Qin from expanding into the really juicy area to the west (N and S korea?). by barely i mean i founded a city that pushed his settler back into his territory. I'm trying out immortal on the earth maps so anyone on emperor or below might be able to get that decent city site to the west before cyrus.

I decided to grow my cap to size 2 before starting the worker so maybe even that will help you get that much better site next to cyrus before he grabs it. also, I dont think you really need agriculture that early. the cows are enough since our happy cap inthe capital is something liek 5. all the wheat is good for is maybe growing quickyl after a whip or helping to run those 2 scientists, but it's not really necessary

After pottery, I basically started spamming settlers and workers (which we actually will need a lot more than i originally thought), and prayed no one attacked me. I also went writing very shortly after IW and threw a library in my capital and started working 2 scientists. once a religion gets over to you and you get calender, happiness problems are almost a thing of the past. now that I got a good land based settled, i've been building infranstructure and troops pretty hard core. the plan is to build an army to take China's ripe main land and to also send a pair of settlers to australia to start a colony.


@illram: I think hinduism is possible on monarch, but i think it's best to let saladin found it and do all the work of spreading the religion for you. in my game i think saladin founded hinduism on turn 17 or 18, which is pretty late. the oracle was also founded in 1360BC, which makes me think that it may be possible to get it on emperor and below.

update: so i tried it out and for some reason i can liberate my 3 australian cities to a new colony anyone have any ideas why? do they need to be very close to each other? because they are kinda far apart..and one of them keeps wanting to join egypt , except now that i made my 3rd city on australia, i cant liberate it to egypt anymore....maybe i should have just gone into world builder to find this out lol. changes in strategy will probably be to try and get that first settler out quicker for blocking off cyrus, and to get the 2nd one out and send him much closer to china to block expansion off that way. there is some non-jungle land that can be improved and forests to be chopped for a monument. also focus on back-filling my land more and maybe make some more workers to get it all improved just a tad faster and then build up a better army for the conqueuring of China.

 

[Nuageux]

what about toku?

someone needs to colonise australia and its easiest with toku, also, toku is fun!!!!

 

[MrFelony]

australia sucks. I tried colonizing it as india. it wouldnt let me form my 3 cities into one (i think cause of distance). and one of them kept asking to join egypt

 

[Nuageux]

wow that is wierd, but australia doesnt suck!