Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[Takhisis]

It is after a certain level of proof regarding being wrong, but if Jo's job is really "miller" why did it take so long to figure out that was job and not name when Tak brought up the mill?

There was some more discussion on my claim… do people seriously not remember me explainign that I am the miller's daughter and also boob jokes and slapping Tim?

Lynch Tak if I die.

The main three suspects are Tim, Tak, and G1K.

vote: Takhisis

The hell?

 

[Takhisis]

So, um… anyone?

 

[topsecret]

So, um… anyone?

If it's not you, should we be voting Tim or G1K? Or are Zelda and GR tricking us all?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There was some more discussion on my claim… do people seriously not remember me explainign that I am the miller's daughter and also boob jokes and slapping Tim?


The hell?

Is Johanna K your father then?

 

[Takhisis]

If it's not you, should we be voting Tim or G1K? Or are Zelda and GR tricking us all?

Is Johanna K your father then?

There's no such confirmation in my Rôle PM, but unless anybody counterclaims I'd believe his claim. Whether or not that's indicative regarding his alignment is another, separate thing.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, crap. I was hoping maybe we had something there, like "Well, can't claim 'rogue,' how about 'miller'?"

 

[Timsup2nothin]

We have seven people and as far as I can tell not a single person that I can make a really good case for as a villager. As near as I can amke out not one person can make a case for anyone else being a villager either. How did that even happen?

Well, can't fix that now.

Unless we can. Is everyone willing to dig through the thread and try to find at least one person that you can make a case for as "that right there is a villager, and here's why"?

Is anyone, or should we just play guess the wolf among all the wolfy people until we are dead?

 

[Takhisis]

Is everyone willing to dig through the thread and try to find at least one person that you can make a case for as "that right there is a villager, and here's why"?

I'll try something tomorrow.

 

[pzelda]

To lay out the unbeatable laws of mathematics, if we get this wrong then the next time we wake up we are staring LYLO in the face. So if we are sure we are lynching a wolf, great. If we aren't then "who do we not want at LYLO" becomes a consideration.

We're in the same situation for two days now and succeeding so far.

Topsecret's claim is something to consider. I guess flavour isn't entirely meaningless as Csargo just flipped some nurse and was a claimed doctor (the chances of him fake claiming doctor based on his character are low). I think that him being Rattay is far from being a mod confirmed inno child, but it's certainly supposed to convince us.

 

[pzelda]

Tak, I wonder how have you transformed yourself from dog into woman?
Also, if we consider that TS being Lord of Rattay was specified in a flavour text, do you have something to do with the last attack?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

We're in the same situation for two days now and succeeding so far.

Topsecret's claim is something to consider. I guess flavour isn't entirely meaningless as Csargo just flipped some nurse and was a claimed doctor (the chances of him fake claiming doctor based on his character are low). I think that him being Rattay is far from being a mod confirmed inno child, but it's certainly supposed to convince us.

Well, maybe. I've never played this game and have no idea if "the lord of Rattay" is some major figure that brings an "of course Arakhor would only put him in as a reflection of his place in the flavor" or not. I mean, I put more flavor in the flavor than I think that most hosts do, but I didn't let anyone say "I'm Captain Kirk, of course I'm villa" either.

 

[pzelda]

Well, maybe. I've never played this game and have no idea if "the lord of Rattay" is some major figure that brings an "of course Arakhor would only put him in as a reflection of his place in the flavor" or not. I mean, I put more flavor in the flavor than I think that most hosts do, but I didn't let anyone say "I'm Captain Kirk, of course I'm villa" either.

Yeah, Arakhor probably did something to prevent mass claiming characters being a way to win. Maybe all characters including rebels are positive characters or being a loyal character in the game doesn't make you loyal character here. The last and most commonly used way is to provide wolves with fake claims. I did it in one game I hosted here and claiming these at right time helped town to win the game.
The thing, which makes me like TS little better is him jumping to the thread today and showing it is convinced that it makes him lock town.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, Arakhor probably did something to prevent mass claiming characters being a way to win. Maybe all characters including rebels are positive characters or being a loyal character in the game doesn't make you loyal character here. The last and most commonly used way is to provide wolves with fake claims. I did it in one game I hosted here and claiming these at right time helped town to win the game.
The thing, which makes me like TS little better is him jumping to the thread today and showing it is convinced that it makes him lock town.

Okay, cool. That's more "confirmed town clear" than anything else we have on much of anyone, even if it's not anything like a hard clear I'd want to go into LYLO with, but it's not nothing.

What's your flavor job, btw?

 

[pzelda]

We have seven people and as far as I can tell not a single person that I can make a really good case for as a villager. As near as I can amke out not one person can make a case for anyone else being a villager either. How did that even happen?

Well, can't fix that now.

Unless we can. Is everyone willing to dig through the thread and try to find at least one person that you can make a case for as "that right there is a villager, and here's why"?

Is anyone, or should we just play guess the wolf among all the wolfy people until we are dead?

If we look at who voted or supported lynches of Jovian and LA, we're pretty much out of shots. The weirdest thing yesterday was Johanna voting Knight but that doesn't make much sense as wolf trying to safe Jovian as Jovian voted himself later on. So, bussing probably happened.

I had a pretty strong TR on Gamez, which was kinda irregular and a pre-flip association.
I also keep having you as a townlean despite many moments of doubt and paranoia.

What's your flavor job, btw?

Sir Radzig Kobyla, which is funny because I currently reside in the neighborhood of Kobylisy. I don't really have a job, but it's noteworthy that unlike TS I'm literate and it's because I'm noble.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, I have you as a townlean, although "generally seems solvy" is all I can back that up with. It just seems like you stand out in this crowd of at best ciphers if not outright scummy looks. I also still think that Gamez the letter writer has tried to do more good than harm. Call that a slightly more fleshy townlean than I have for you, really. I'm seriously hoping someone does better with a "look here man, scum wouldn't do this" kind of clear.

Sir Radzig Kobyla, which is funny because I currently reside in the neighborhood of Kobylisy. I don't really have a job, but it's noteworthy that unlike TS I'm literate and it's because I'm noble.

Ummmm...during all the chaos about letter reading did you ever mention before that you can read?

 

[pzelda]

Ummmm...during all the chaos about letter reading did you ever mention before that you can read?

Only that I would like to receive a letter.

 

[JohannaK]

Yeah, man, that's... a bit of a shock.

To clarify the mixup with me and Tak, my role is literally 'Miller Peshek', and it didn't occur to me at all that it meant my job rather than my first/last name. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that but a cursory wikia search revealed that indeed Peshek is the miller of Rattay in the game. It also said that my niece is living at the my mill, which is presumably Tak.

I'm at a loss as to who to vote. As pzelda commented, cover roles aren't a rare occurrence, so that it should not be possible to solve the game via mass claim. For example, Tak could be the rebel's dog and his cover role be the miller's daughter, so when he spent his actions, he changed roleplay, but even him I don't think would do that. What's more suspicious is the dog attack. It's all too convenient. It's even weird. Openly outing scum is unlike a good mod, but then if he had a scum role and a cover role he's only got himself to blame for RPing the scum one.

I'm gonna hold off because I think I'm just being paranoid here, but I'll reexamine my thoughts and come back with a solid vote later. I think I still want to vote Tim, but he did change my mind yesterday and I am not so sure. G1K (or Pzelda???) could be the literate scum (if there's no literate scum, what's the sense in a literacy mechanic?), and TS would round it off nicely, but I'm seriously considering Tak now!

 

[pzelda]

So, I've been reading through Marcher's posts and there definitely is some interesting stuff in them. I don't know how I overlooked some of his early commentary (information instead of analysis), but that's not as spicy as the way he went from voting tak to calling him an independent.
This is an earlier vote:

Unvote
vote: Takhisis

GamezRule has spoken up and that vote has done it’s job, I agree that Takhisis is acting a bit oddly and not really being super productive, so maybe the threat of lynch can help fix that. I’m not super keen on lynching Tim just yet, considering he’s at starting up conversations and at least playing the part of acting constructively.

One, he calls his vote only a warning. I'm more excited by the second part. He basically was ready to jump on Tim, if someone gives him a good enough reason.

My top 3 wolves are LordArgon, topsecret, and Dolbster:

LordArgon - I still find his shenanigans involving literacy to be pretty suspect. It feels like it could be an indirect way to try and expose the town's power roles, which are probably more likely to be literate than a vanilla townie. His vote was pretty suspect too—he was the second person to vote for Rakkoon after Dolbster, and I find his reasoning to be pretty poor: he said that Rakkoon had "horrible logic" but didn't point out any examples or try to correct Rakkoon. It feels to me like mafia spotted a town misread and jumped on it to save the survivor and get a townie lynched.

topsecret - has started looking a lot worse today. all the jokeyness since he started coming under pressure feels a bit like an attempt to distract. Looking back at his latest list, it's starting to seem a bit more suspicious. The two people named mafia suspects are the most obvious calls that no one would fault him for or find suspicious, and several of the entries are very basic, just saying a player is playing like normal, or he likes how a player is playing, or that he feels good about a player without any actual evidence or analysis

Dolbster - pretty obvious why he's here, started the lynch against a townie. Could have been a mislynch, could have been mafia trying to fake a mislynch, regardless it still makes him a top suspect.

Special shoutout to GamezRule for missing the cut despite doing almost nothing all game.

GoldenKnight would have been on this list, but I'm less suspicious after his latest big post where he provided some solid, in-depth analysis on topsecret and Dolbster (and some rather less in-depth analysis on Raskol)

I think Jovian might not be aware of the rule of three. This would mean that TS is more likely town and that Lord Argon was connected to other wolves this early.

Also, Jovian talked about survivor a lot. It could be tmi on LA's role.

 

[pzelda]

Yeah, man, that's... a bit of a shock.

To clarify the mixup with me and Tak, my role is literally 'Miller Peshek', and it didn't occur to me at all that it meant my job rather than my first/last name. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that but a cursory wikia search revealed that indeed Peshek is the miller of Rattay in the game. It also said that my niece is living at the my mill, which is presumably Tak.

I'm at a loss as to who to vote. As pzelda commented, cover roles aren't a rare occurrence, so that it should not be possible to solve the game via mass claim. For example, Tak could be the rebel's dog and his cover role be the miller's daughter, so when he spent his actions, he changed roleplay, but even him I don't think would do that. What's more suspicious is the dog attack. It's all too convenient. It's even weird. Openly outing scum is unlike a good mod, but then if he had a scum role and a cover role he's only got himself to blame for RPing the scum one.

I'm gonna hold off because I think I'm just being paranoid here, but I'll reexamine my thoughts and come back with a solid vote later. I think I still want to vote Tim, but he did change my mind yesterday and I am not so sure. G1K (or Pzelda???) could be the literate scum (if there's no literate scum, what's the sense in a literacy mechanic?), and TS would round it off nicely, but I'm seriously considering Tak now!

I wouldn't read in that canine violence so much. It could be a hint but it could also be Arakhor making fun of us or Tak and his fake claim.

As for the literate scum. We could lynch me and Golden Knight to find out. We have that one mislynch left. Ofc, this would only work if everyone told the truth.

 

[JohannaK]

I'm not very sure what to do. I'm considering voting Pzelda. I want to know why? Why have you held on to that bit of info till now?