Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[Takhisis]

a) If Topsecret was a wolf they wouldn't have killed Dolbster, because Dolbster was the one who was singing "tiebreaker equals town."
Not necessarily, because by killing Dolbster you kill a mason so there's no room for town to coördinate there. You basically nullify two players with one strike.
b) but maybe protected by the doctor who I would have killed almost for sure
Except that somebody would have been looking at the doctor, as indeed my dog was (you dirty dog-kicker).
c) I'm thinkin' that wolfTS would definitely want Dolbster alive
Why? You prove your defender is town so his defence is validated.

 

[topsecret]

Who else did Dolby wanna lynch? Jo and...?

 

[GamezRule]

Also, I got the letter.

It is written exactly as Gamez said it would be.

Told you so. I'll read the thread more closely tomorrow when I'm sober.

 

[pzelda]

Gamez is just Zack from Mario, I don't see how that ability is useful in anyway.

I don't think it's statistically possible that none of the tied group were scum. No movement means scum were confident TS's claim was true/TS is scum/scum knew TS's ability.

@RRRaskolnikov

That ability is like inno child without ever being able to get really mod cleared and with a possibility of the role having some other function in the game. It could be a weak balancing power in hands of mafia, but I doubt it.
GameZ still needs to prove his towniness in-thread but I'm willing to handle him less harsh because of the power for now.

I also hated GK's self-vote at the end of the round, so there's that.

True, outside of committing himself to even a throwaway vote, he ended up voting himself. If something suggests that wolves trusted topsecrets' claim, it would be this. Golden's posting isn't bad but his votes lack any courage and mostly sheep instruction of whoever is leading town at the moment.

Vote Golden Knight

Don't consider. Vote.

The lack of voting is making it easier for the mafia. Yesterday we could have had much more to look at, but no one voted for ages until I pointed it out.

I like Topsecret's call for action here. Pasivity killed countless towns and caused many games to end in mafia victory. You can use votes for both analysis of votes and reasoning behind them.

It would have been just desserts, people just dont self-vote but otoh I get the vote in that context. I myself ended up voting Tak in spite of firmly believing he's town just for the sake of the six-way tie.

I suppose scum let it happen because they felt like they weren't in danger i.e. were not strong suspects, even with the six-way.

I might be jumping ahead of myself here to make this association but johanna calling Knight's self-vote towny smells of him defending a buddy. I promised to keep an eye on Jo today and I nothing so far would have improved Dolbster's opinion if he were alive by my reckoning.
Voting Tak despite liking him is another weird thing for town to do.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Agreed.

Who else did Dolby wanna lynch? Jo and...?

I dunno about the and, but I know enough to
Vote: Johanna

I might get talked into doing something about the literate toffs...not the drunkard...but I'm pretty comfortable with this vote.

 

[pzelda]

Btw, I see you're around Tim. How do you find Tak's claim? I have bad a feeling about all of the claims we got so far (tak, ts, gamez in particular) and suspect that at least one of these roles is mafia aligned.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Btw, I see you're around Tim. How do you find Tak's claim? I have bad a feeling about all of the claims we got so far (tak, ts, gamez in particular) and suspect that at least one of these roles is mafia aligned.

It does seem a lot...throw in the masons and Csargo the healer...

The conclusion I reach is that if they are all town the mafia all have something extra in the tank.

If they are not all town then TS would be the one I would doubt the most.

 

[Arakhor]

Mid Morning Tally
MarcherJovian: Topsecret, Golden1Knight
Topsecret: Csargo
LordArgon: Takhisis
Golden1Knight: Pzelda
JohannaK: Timsup2nothin

 

[pzelda]

Mid Morning Tally
MarcherJovian: Topsecret, Golden1Knight
Topsecret: Csargo
LordArgon: Takhisis
Golden1Knight: Pzelda
JohannaK: Timsup2nothin

I forgot there's Jovian. It's not surprising to see two people voting him, but they're hardly people I would like to join on a wagon.

 

[JohannaK]

Vote: MarcherJovian

I have been thinking about the fact that Tim knew MJ was literate before MJ said it? There's two possible explanations: it is either a coincidence, or it is PIS. That is to say, Tim and MJ are scumbuddies and he slipped some prior knowledge.

 

[JohannaK]

There is a third option that Arakhor in his absolute OCD-like anti-doubleposting mania accidentally deleted a post where MJ said he was literate, but that's by far the least likely option.

 

[JohannaK]

I've been defending topsecret but it is evident that Csargo is right. His power is neutral and no guarantee that he is town. Following what I said before that scum did not challenge the tie because they felt safe, I believe that soft clears GamezRule for me, which in addition to his clarifying the letter mess gives him a good townie look. Could this be pocketing or misdirection? Sure. That's why he's not lock town.

Otoh, topsecret, Tim, and Takhisis were the tied people who were at no risk. This is partly what's leadibg me to consider a possible Tim/MJ pairing. TS could go either way. Nothing's really changed, but I dont feel so sure about him anymore. I won't go for him unless he ends up paired with someone more solidly town. Takhisis I tied up to create the six-way, so I am not really considering him. With his reveal today, I feel vindicated.

Finally, with this many roles, either some of the revealed ones are scum, or they have not revealed it. We know that they have a strongman, or at least it seems as though they do. A roleblocker would make sense too. God knows what the third could be. TS would fit the bill, which is why I've downgraded him, but I prefer to think he's not.

This is to say, Tak has confirmed me not doing anything N1. That's cause I'm vanilla. You better believe it.

 

[JohannaK]

I think the game is the way to be solved. Atm Samson and Csargo are roughly 100% clear, Takhisis and Gamez 95%, Pzelda about 90%, and I know I am town. That leaves LA, TS, G1K, Tim, and MJ as the possible wolves. We've got to lynch in there and I dont particularly care who, other than TS, but I would prefer to do Tim or MJ.

 

[LordArgon]

From my wagonmics analysis, I believe marcher and Gamez are on opposite teams. I am hesitant to side with gk with little info on them. I think a showdown between mj and gk, who also seem apposed, will give town some nice info, so I will tie it up and vote: GoldenKnight

 

[topsecret]

Zelda, how confident are you on the G1K vote? Because my wagonmates don't give me overwhelming peace.

It does seem a lot...throw in the masons and Csargo the healer...

The conclusion I reach is that if they are all town the mafia all have something extra in the tank.

If they are not all town then TS would be the one I would doubt the most.

OK, but let's look at it from my POV. I am town, so who's lying? Probably Gamez or Tak. I can't see Csargo or Samson lying.

At this point, I only truly trust Zelda, Csargo, and Samson.

There is a third option that Arakhor in his absolute OCD-like anti-doubleposting mania accidentally deleted a post where MJ said he was literate, but that's by far the least likely option.

Nah he said he never revealed it but somehow Tim assumed it...

Or did he?

 

[GamezRule]

@Marcher Jovian where were you when my servant attempted to deliver a letter last night? What does the letter say

Vote: Marcher Jovian until I get an answer.

 

[Marcher Jovian]

I did not receive a letter last night. There's probably some sort of roleblocker or thief on the mafia team.

Vote: LordArgon
I understand why I'm getting suspicion, with a third of the town dead and another third having credible claims to power roles the suspect pool is shrinking pretty fast. But if you want to string me up today, can you at least get a solid claim out of LordArgon first instead of letting him skate through yet another day without explaining himself? He's claimed to have some kind of special role but has refused to tell town on the basis that it's a selfish power that doesn't help town, which is a claim so suspicious that I'm a little afraid he's actually a jester trying to get lynched. Even in the most townie scenario possible where town gets some penalty if he dies, there's still a doctor around as a higher priority kill. He had the chance to cut off some random theorizing I had that in retrospect was probably not super relevant and useful to the town, but instead decided to let it go on without comment. His play all game long has been scummy as hell and yet somehow the wagon never gets threatening because people keep saying it's just usual LordArgon, changing the subject, and never forcing him to make a defense.

 

[JohannaK]

Which he?

 

[GamezRule]

Also, I got the letter.

It is written exactly as Gamez said it would be.

The fact that you are willing to say this in public when, based off of all available information, you could easily lie and make it out to say whatever you wish is town to me. Also town points to Tim for giving it to you.

Hello! I am the dog's brown-haired owner. Please stop staring at my bosom. These days I've been letting the dog play around. On the first night he sat outside JohannaK's house and JK went nowhere; on the second he sat outside Tsargo's and nobody visited Tsargo's house.

Sadly, the dog refuses to follow any more people at night after such boring nights. The most I can get him to do now is sit around here and bark if anybody approaches the mill.

I'm on the fence about this. I'm tempted to believe that you have a detective/cop type role and you've successfully identified JK as town and protected Tsargo from a NK, but I'd like to see the opinion of more experienced players on this as well before I draw any strong conclusions.

If you wanna crack down on the literate I'm tentatively in favor, but I urge everyone to look at how Gamez handled the note fiasco. We could very easily be in a townwide flail right now about what the notes mean and other nonsense, and we aren't.

Exactly. If I was mafia, I never would have admitted to the power in the first place. The chaos would have been too convenient. Also, if mafia, the letter I wrote never would have indicated I sent it. I would have sent it anonymously with an intent to start a lynch wagon on a vocal town player.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

@Takhisis we need a no BS clarification statement about your role and what you have done. I heard it as a double one shot of tracker watcher. You tracked Jo, who went nowhere, and you watched Csargo, and no one stopped by.

My question is, how in the heck do you arrive at "and that clears Jo"? Jo didn't do the N1K is a whole lot different than "Jo isn't mafia."

The role claim is good town points. I even understand the idea that you roleplayed it the way you did because it held me off from my usual misguided "shake the PR until they have to claim" error...but man you need more town points now because the obfuscation and nonsense is no longer a remotely good look. Nothing in your claims is remotely confirmable, and I for one wonder if that's by design.