I totally understand, but he's already decided that the extremely unlikely scenario will happen without trying it because he doesn't want to put in the work. I know he wouldn't do an experiment that could conclusively prove my point, beforehand and my intuition has proved to be right.
yeah but then I can just hand out my money to friend. Why would I want to do this?
Why would I do experiments that will most likely lead to loss of money?
We play multiplayer, so 1) no rerolls 2) much more difficult to catchup snowballing human player than AI.
Won't work.
Communitas. It's great overrall except for lake problem. 3 food / tile without improvement still seems too much for early game, it causes cities and esp. capital to enter population boom state and snowball.
We won't be able to start game because everyone will require reroll until he gets a perfect start.
No. This thread is about lakes that are overpowered and typically lead to easy victory. It's not fun.
Sugar, Spices, Whales, Dyes, Silk and some other tiles are way more powerfull early on. Should they be nerfed too?
You serious?
there isn't clear definition of what is unplayable. Any player can say that he has low number of resources or no lake nearby. Btw, do you suggest that we reroll until every player had 8-tiled lake near capital? Otherwise any player who gets no lake can give up right away.
2 food, 1 hammer, 1 culture dyes againt 3 food, 1 hammer lake. He is quite serious, its incredibly obvious that dyes are the much stronger tile
Yes i am.
if its tile-by-tile comparison - maybe. but lake is rarely 1 tile, usually its 4 or more. also early food does not give immediate benefit, but rather allows city to grow fast and catchup benefits of 'culture' tiles or everything else. i.e. you can spam settlers and find and take many other luxury tiles around you.
i lost because opponent got 3 times ahead of me because of 8-tile lake and 5 horses near capital and rushed me with horseman while i only built first archer to defend my small, lakeless cities. Nothing could be done in this situation.
See, that's what I keep telling you. L29Ah gets huge lake near capital every third game or so, other player like 1 in 10 games, and I never got lake larger than 3 tiles. And as game goes, whoever got largest lake is ahead. That's not fun.
Not maybe, dyes are 100% the better tile. If you are currently often working a lake when you have a dye or fur available, you are playing poorly. This isn't even subjective, 1 point of culture is worth so much more than 1 food in the ancient era, its been widely known by experienced players forever. You can make whatever BS argument you want, the only person you are convicning is yourself.
Actually, if you work lake then your city grows fast and then you are able to work lake AND dyes. And your city continues to grow while also working many tiles.
you just have to wait on it first 5-10 turns, then your population boom starts and you can get both culture and food, and quickly compensate for these 'uncultured' 10 turns.
