LBD Challenge #1: Happy Gorillas

[cabert]

right!
cultural don't call for high because you use the slider and gain loads of it anyway.
The is good for war because :
- you can sustain WW easier
- you can whip and draft with little to none penalty
- you can grow bigger = more power = easier to impress your neighbours = easy vassals

 

[futurehermit]

Well, vassals DO give and the point of the thread is maximum not cultural victory, so as long as everyone agrees, I'm ok with going militaristic.

The question is, does that change our short-term goals?!?!?!

 

[cabert]

Well, vassals DO give and the point of the thread is maximum not cultural victory, so as long as everyone agrees, I'm ok with going militaristic.

The question is, does that change our short-term goals?!?!?!

well, yes.
For cultural, temple > fur. For shere happiness, fur > temple.
If you want max happiness, go for land.
This means BW.
oracle is still a good wonder for monarchy.

 

[futurehermit]

I'm reluctant to oracle monarchy since the ai always seem to prioritize that tech. However, this is the challenge, so maybe we should do that.

Basically, once we get some sort of consensus on what we should be doing, I'll play the next round. I want to avoid making mistakes during the critical early period.

 

[cabert]

I'm reluctant to oracle monarchy since the ai always seem to prioritize that tech.

true enough
MC may be better, and forges do give happiness

 

[futurehermit]

Yes, yes they do

 

[Winston Hughes]

Well, vassals DO give and the point of the thread is maximum not cultural victory, so as long as everyone agrees, I'm ok with going militaristic.

The question is, does that change our short-term goals?!?!?!

Using the extra to combat WW would be much more interesting than going for a cultural victory, imo. The culture slider is obviously a huge source of happiness, but turtling up and running it at 100% isn't exactly a new idea...

The bonus from vassals would also be a really cool way to get more . And with all of the different sources stacking up, you should be able to whip out plenty of troops, and fight long wars without too many WW problems.

What's not to like?

Does it change the short term goals? I'd say no. Unless Ragnar lands a city that cuts off all the decent spots, you'll want to get those religions and wonders in place before you make your move.

The real disaster will be if you don't have any metals nearby; invading Ragnar with only longbows and cats does not sound like a thing to do...

Edit: What are your plans for the economy? With increased happy caps, the Parthenon, and a warlike agenda, farms and specialists look like a good option to me...

 

[futurehermit]

What's wrong with invading with pretty much pure catas? I do it all the time!

Yes, I think FE is best way to go this game. It will help us grow to max and also let us abuse whipping.

Ok, so instead of parthenon, I think we should go with ToA and try and get a prophet or merchant first. Then oracle-col which will help with our expansion...

I still need a confirmed 2nd city placement however...

If we can get 6 total cities without going to war, I think it might be best if we play peaceful until liberalism. It will allow us to get feudalism without beelining = quick vassalization. I suggest what Snaaty said in another thread: Basically, get 6 cities peacefully if possible (or not if not) and then go liberalism-nationalism with goal of getting miltrad asap. Then use cav to vassal whoever's on our continent.

Sound ok?

 

[cabert]

What's wrong with invading with pretty much pure catas? I do it all the time!

Yes, I think FE is best way to go this game. It will help us grow to max and also let us abuse whipping.

Ok, so instead of parthenon, I think we should go with ToA and try and get a prophet or merchant first. Then oracle-col which will help with our expansion...

I still need a confirmed 2nd city placement however...

If we can get 6 total cities without going to war, I think it might be best if we play peaceful until liberalism. It will allow us to get feudalism without beelining = quick vassalization. I suggest what Snaaty said in another thread: Basically, get 6 cities peacefully if possible (or not if not) and then go liberalism-nationalism with goal of getting miltrad asap. Then use cav to vassal whoever's on our continent.

Sound ok?

sounds OK, but to be in the line of the variant, you need to have happy resources in those 6 cities.
I allow you the possible exception of "metal city".

 

[futurehermit]

Well, I'm going to secure the furs and the gold. Don't see any other sources yet, but if I do I will beeline them for sure.

Of course Ragnar may dictate our game to us...

 

[Snaaty]

What's wrong with invading with pretty much pure catas? I do it all the time!

Yes, I think FE is best way to go this game. It will help us grow to max and also let us abuse whipping.

Ok, so instead of parthenon, I think we should go with ToA and try and get a prophet or merchant first. Then oracle-col which will help with our expansion...

I still need a confirmed 2nd city placement however...

If we can get 6 total cities without going to war, I think it might be best if we play peaceful until liberalism. It will allow us to get feudalism without beelining = quick vassalization. I suggest what Snaaty said in another thread: Basically, get 6 cities peacefully if possible (or not if not) and then go liberalism-nationalism with goal of getting miltrad asap. Then use cav to vassal whoever's on our continent.

Sound ok?

sounds great (patting own shoulder)

concerning city placement:

try to build your initial 4 cities in a way, that you have 2 reserved spots for later settlement (if possible). That helps to save money


don´t go for cultural. If you manage to tech up fast enough to mil.trad and gunpowder go berserk

"What else could we do with really high " Whip, whip horey...

 

[futurehermit]

Sounds great! Whip whip horray!!! Love it!

sounds great (patting own shoulder)

concerning city placement:

try to build your initial 4 cities in a way, that you have 2 reserved spots for later settlement (if possible). That helps to save money


don´t go for cultural. If you manage to tech up fast enough to mil.trad and gunpowder go berserk

"What else could we do with really high " Whip, whip horey...

 

[Killroyan]

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[futurehermit]

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rofl!!! shucks

 

[futurehermit]

K guys, I'm going to be playing the next round soon and still need some info:

1) 2nd city site

2) Now that we're going aggressive instead of cultural, should our tech approach change at all? What about wonders? Still ToA and oracle?

3) Are we going to play peaceful until miltrad? I would say this would be good if we can since with only 2 civs on our continent we're going to want to have trading partners. Once we meet the other continent and get early cav we can mop up our continent hopefully fairly quickly.

Thoughts???

 

[Chrispy]

1) 2nd city site

It sounds like gold-corn is a good option. You could do gold-deer as well, but I think fur-deer allows you to capture more of the southern resources with gold-corn.

Gold-corn only has two options: build W of the middle mountain, or build W of the southern mountain on the silk. Building on the silk would put another food resource (I think it's pig) in the fat cross. That pig could also be used with the rice to actually work the incense tiles to the south at 6 gold per. I think N of the silk and W of the middle mountain is best.

 

[futurehermit]

I like the idea of settling on one of the silk tiles to get two food resources in the BFC. Food = good imo.

Maybe we could build another city that claims the deer and fur and that could share the wheat if need-be???

 

[futurehermit]

Hey guys, I'm going to try and play the next round tonight and hopefully that'll get some discussion going in this thread again

 

[Killroyan]

Why not settle 1SW of the gold? Turning a desert tile into a usefull one. You get gold and pigs in the BFC combined with double silk and incense= very nice commerce city with decent food. Then you can still get corn/deer/fur city in the first suggestion, although there is a good chance that the AI will go for that place also. Bring on the happy people and play the second round.

 

[Snaaty]

K guys, I'm going to be playing the next round soon and still need some info:

1) 2nd city site

2) Now that we're going aggressive instead of cultural, should our tech approach change at all? What about wonders? Still ToA and oracle?

3) Are we going to play peaceful until miltrad? I would say this would be good if we can since with only 2 civs on our continent we're going to want to have trading partners. Once we meet the other continent and get early cav we can mop up our continent hopefully fairly quickly.

Thoughts???

I like pos. 1 for 2. city better, because it allows you to found your 3. (or better your 4., if you manage to use your 3. to settle towards the horses (grab them and get Ragnar blocked of)) on the desert tile next to the pigs (gets gold, pics, rice and one silk (=great city))