Otto I of HRE would not be a bad idea either. And about this discussion... i just remembered a quote by a guy we all know which really points out that the discussion were kind of not-really-necessary. Otto von -------- (Kudos to the first guy who guess his full name) "History is simply a piece of paper covered with print; the main thing is still to make history, not to write it." Basically we are discussing a piece of paper covered with print, but as the quote also sais, there are more important things. So i say that if we really should discuss history, lets discuss the feud between China and Japan with the deaths during the WWII. That is a still ongoing dispute, and to finish that dispute would indeed be to make history, but I do not really think we are capable of doing that.... but still.