Leaving computers on 24/7 - effect?

The human body is a better heater than any computer I've used...

The human body gives off about 100 watts of heat or so...

My computer draws about 300 watts (rated for 750w output), my monitors about 100 watts each (rated for 42 watts and 110 watts draw), my speakers, maybe 100 watts (rated for 472 watts)... any way you look at those numbers, they're easily more than a sedentary body.
 
I turn my PC off most of the time when it's not in use. So far, it's not had any HDD problems from the frequent booting. The biggest drawback is the lack of automatic updates. The best part is the power savings. I guess another advantage is that it's not making noise when I'm trying to sleep. There's also no chance of someone hacking into it when I'm not around.

Computers are not efficient heaters or coolers. Server rooms filled with lots of machines do have heat issues, but it's not like they want it to be hot in there. It usually cost a lot to keep it all cool enough to stay within safe operating levels.
 
The human body gives off about 100 watts of heat or so...

My computer draws about 300 watts (rated for 750w output), my monitors about 100 watts each (rated for 42 watts and 110 watts draw), my speakers, maybe 100 watts (rated for 472 watts)... any way you look at those numbers, they're easily more than a sedentary body.

Yet it fails spectacularly to heat up a room. The human body has far more surface area, and I have never noticed an increase in heat just from my computer bring on and, say, running a virus scan.
 
Yet it fails spectacularly to heat up a room. The human body has far more surface area, and I have never noticed an increase in heat just from my computer bring on and, say, running a virus scan.

I have no idea what kind of house you live in, but over here, if I leave the computer on and have the windows/door closed, the temperature of the room will go up about 10F overnight at a minimum.
 
I haven't the slightest clue as to how much of a difference 10F is, and define overnight by number of hours. I don't doubt it contributes, but a human body will heat it up a lot quicker.
 
5C and overnight is 8 hours, from 4 am to 12pm for me.

And no, a human body will not heat it quicker. I know. Turning my computer off results in my room being a chilly 10C in the morning (down from ~15C when I go to bed) while the computer staying on results in about 20C temps in the morning. This is considering everything else stays the same.
 
The only issue I had with my current computer when turning it on and off was a bug in the HDD's firmware that locks itself after so many power up/down cycles rendering it a brick. Though I had it fixed and had not seen a problem since (knock on wood), though I do put my computer to sleep.
 
Computers are not efficient heaters
A computer is 100% efficient at converting energy to heat [*]. (This possibly isn't what you meant, but then I'm not sure what you did mean?)

If it's not heating your room very much compared with an electric heater, then it's also not drawing as much power anyway.

[*] Well, there's sound, but unless you can hear that outside of your house, that ends up as heat too.
 
You're not seriously suggesting that leaving your computer on all night is a more energy efficient way of heating your room than using an electric heater? :dubious:

And that's granting you rather generously the inability to heat your house with gas.
 
The only issue I had with my current computer when turning it on and off was a bug in the HDD's firmware that locks itself after so many power up/down cycles rendering it a brick. Though I had it fixed and had not seen a problem since (knock on wood), though I do put my computer to sleep.

Let me guess, the Seagata firmware bug? That had nothing to do with the number of reboots. I got one after 2 boots with the hard drive.

You're not seriously suggesting that leaving your computer on all night is a more energy efficient way of heating your room than using an electric heater? :dubious:

And that's granting you rather generously the inability to heat your house with gas.

Its not quite as efficient as an electric heater, but it is pretty close to it. Compared to gas it is pretty inefficient yes.
 
You're not seriously suggesting that leaving your computer on all night is a more energy efficient way of heating your room than using an electric heater? :dubious:

They're equally efficient.
100% of the power draw in an electric heater is converted to heat.
100%* of the power draw of a computer is converted to heat.

*(Pretty much 100%, minus light from your computer, spinning fans, etc.)

And gas isn't relevant for lots of people, who don't have access to it.
 
You're not seriously suggesting that leaving your computer on all night is a more energy efficient way of heating your room than using an electric heater? :dubious:

And that's granting you rather generously the inability to heat your house with gas.
We have a natural gas fireplace, however very little if any of the heat makes it upstairs to the bedrooms.

I'm pretty sure an electric heater would be much more efficient or at least quicker, since it has more surface area and is directly exposed to pump the heat into the room, whereas my computer has few fans in it (5 I guess, one on each end of the case, CPU, graphics card and power supply), a generally cold metal case and is underneath a desk.

Although it DOES feel warmer immediately around it right now, probably from the workout Empire: Total War was giving it.
 
I'm pretty sure an electric heater would be much more efficient or at least quicker, since it has more surface area and is directly exposed to pump the heat into the room, whereas my computer has few fans in it (5 I guess, one on each end of the case, CPU, graphics card and power supply), a generally cold metal case and is underneath a desk.

None of those factors affect efficiency.
 
I think it's around $10 month/computer that you leave on 24/7, going off an old electric company stat in my head.

Isn't there an issue with OS usage of the RAM degrading over time (i.e. some kind of memory leak), hence the need to re-boot?
Last year i tested leaving my computer on 24/7 (monitor off while i was at work) and it cost me $10 a month more. That $120 a year for something else. :)
 
They're equally efficient.
100% of the power draw in an electric heater is converted to heat.
100%* of the power draw of a computer is converted to heat.

*(Pretty much 100%, minus light from your computer, spinning fans, etc.)
You're quick to dismiss spinning fans... How much work needs to be done by the spinning fan on the surrounding air to remove heat from the CPU, and pump it around the room?

A lightbulb is 96% efficient at converting electricity into heat, but you don't heat more than a bird's nest with a lightbulb, because that heat isn't getting anywhere without a big fan to push it around. That's why electric convection (fan) heaters are actually quite inefficient, in pure Heat_Out / Electricity_In terms, but in terms of useful work done in actually getting the heat around the room, they're waaaaaay more efficient.

There's just no way you can claim that a computer can be used to heat a room. It shouldn't even be considered, especially if we're talking overnight.

And gas isn't relevant for lots of people, who don't have access to it.
Well, it's pretty much the standard in the UK (and probably most European countries). I guess things might be different in other parts of the world.
 
You're quick to dismiss spinning fans... How much work needs to be done by the spinning fan on the surrounding air to remove heat from the CPU, and pump it around the room?

A lightbulb is 96% efficient at converting electricity into heat, but you don't heat more than a bird's nest with a lightbulb, because that heat isn't getting anywhere without a big fan to push it around. That's why electric convection (fan) heaters are actually quite inefficient, in pure Heat_Out / Electricity_In terms, but in terms of useful work done in actually getting the heat around the room, they're waaaaaay more efficient.

There's just no way you can claim that a computer can be used to heat a room. It shouldn't even be considered, especially if we're talking overnight.

You have never been in a room with a computer using more than 300 watts per hour. Like I have posted before, in an enclosed room, over the course of 8 hours, with little human activity (namely me sleeping) the temperature rises 10F. With the computer off, the same room, same weather conditions, temperature goes down roughly the same amount. This is with my PC idling. Were it running at it's full 600 watt draw, it would get significantly hotter in the room.

Sure, your piddly little desktop may not even approach this, but then again, the thing is barely pushing any air and runs at 100w idle. It is pretty much just a lightbulb.

Additionally: computer fans draw very little power. For a 300w system, they make up about 1% of the power draw (3w is your average 90-120mm fan) If you have 2 or 3, its fairly insignificant.
 
You're not seriously suggesting that leaving your computer on all night is a more energy efficient way of heating your room than using an electric heater? :dubious:
In my house we obey the laws of thermodynamics :)

To respond to you and PrinceScamp, all the energy has to go somewhere, and it ends up as heat. For there to be an inefficiency, the energy would have to leave your house by another form - as I said, the most likely issue is sound.

Well by efficiency I how fast will it heat up my room?
That's power, not efficiency. And since we're discussing cost (either monetary, or cost to the environment), why does the speed matter?

You're quick to dismiss spinning fans... How much work needs to be done by the spinning fan on the surrounding air to remove heat from the CPU, and pump it around the room? A lightbulb is 96% efficient at converting electricity into heat, but you don't heat more than a bird's nest with a lightbulb, because that heat isn't getting anywhere without a big fan to push it around. That's why electric convection (fan) heaters are actually quite inefficient, in pure Heat_Out / Electricity_In terms, but in terms of useful work done in actually getting the heat around the room, they're waaaaaay more efficient.
The lightbulb efficiency is how much is coverted to *light* as opposed to immediately being transmitted as heat. But it all ends up as heat eventually. An electric fan is also 100% efficient at coverting energy to heat, ultimately. The energy used by the computer's fans still ultimately ends up as heat.

And my gas powered radiators radiators have no fans to "pump it around the room", but they still work (the answer is the heat moves by convection).

(The main problem with a light heating the room is that they're usually in the ceiling, and heat goes upwards - but computers tend to be on the floor.)

There's just no way you can claim that a computer can be used to heat a room. It shouldn't even be considered, especially if we're talking overnight.
The reason a computer would be poor at heating a room in most cases is not because they're inefficient, but it's because they don't use that much energy compared to the kind of energy you use when heating a home. As Genocidicbunny points out, the energy used by most computers isn't that much more than a (non-energy saving) lightbulb.

For a comparison, my small electric heater uses 3000W - 10 times as much as a typical desktop computer. And even that won't heat my whole house very well. (And before you say it, no, gas wouldn't make any different - a 3000W gas heater would have exactly the same effect, the difference being that the cost of the gas would be cheaper, because there's an inefficiency in making the electricity in the first place).

By arguing that computers aren't very good heaters, you're just arguing the point that the cost difference between gas and electricity isn't so much after all. You can't have it both ways and claim that computers waste lots of energy, but also aren't very good heaters.

And that's granting you rather generously the inability to heat your house with gas.
I already covered the electricity versus gas point. I'm not suggesting that someone heats their house entirely by electricity - my point is that if you're leaving the computer on, the cost isn't equal to the cost of the electricity, rather it's the difference between the electricity and the equivalent energy in gas that you would have used. And presumably in most cases, the heat from one computer isn't sufficient from an entire house, anyway.

In the UK at least, there are some houses which have electric heating. Similarly, in the depths of winter, people might stick on an electric heater or fireplace to warm themselves in addition. Whilst these aren't as efficient as doing it all by gas, you don't hear people saying "How wasteful of you to turn on that electric heater in the winter!" (Also for people without thermostats on each radiator, using electric heater in one location might be cheaper than heating the whole house by gas, if you only need one room to be warm.)

ETA: Here's a question - if it's hot and you want to cool the place down, is leaving the fridge/freezer door open a good idea?
 
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