Length of one turn

Remember, Perpentech is at least 200 years, and possibly older, and there's no indication that he's the First man, or of any of the other special people. I also think that it's just that Uber Powerful Archmages live longer, like they do in quite a few fantasy settings.
 
Yeah, probably. There are magical means of sustaining one's life (c.f., shades). Still, I want to know what happened to the first man, who logically should still be around if Os-Gabella is. It has been stated that Kyorlin is the forefather of all the kings of Erebus, which would make a lot of sense of he was the forefather of everyone (but would also seem less important to mention then)

I probably wouldn't say that Einion is thousands of years old, but several hundred makes sense. He certainly is not the first head of the Order of the Elohim, that was Immanuel. I'd probably guess that he may have been a young man when the Elohim lost their holy sites at the start of the Age of Ice, and rose to his current status during Mulcarn's reign.
 
My explanation for perpentach would be that he figures out how to put his mind & spirit into another (young) body. And Kylorin is so powerful that he probably has found several magical ways of prolonging his life.

I think the ones with the shortest lives are the orcs. Jonas (or maybe Orthus) is probably the oldest Orc around. Although I like the idea that no one really knows the lifespan of an orc--they are a new species, but more importantly, they very rarely die of old age.
 
Yeah, you are probably right about Perpentach (I believe the civilopedia strongly implies that he was in a different form, probably meaning his mind was in a different host body, in the Age of Magic. I'm thinking Momus is the current host for his mind) and Kyorlin.

Still, I want to know where the first man is now. Logically, he should be just as immortal as Os-Gabella, unable to die even if he wanted to. It could be interesting though if Kyorlin were the first man though. Maybe he tried following Gabella to the Blair of Lacuna, and Cerdwen convinced him to settle for the knowledge of sorcery instead.


I'd probably assume that the oldest Orcs would probably be the Priestesses of Bhall, who still speak once proud old orkish tongue (which I'd bet is a dialect of Patrian) and who wouldn't personally have to do any fighting. Most Orks would show far more reverence to the Bhall-Orks than Jonas did, and so they would be protected from the violent deaths of the lower classes of orks. They are stated to be old "hags" and "crones." Their Shamans would also probably be quite old by Orkish standards.


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Edit: rereading the civilopedia it seems like Perpentach mind (and a copy the mind of every victim of his magic) is indeed physically in his own body, although he took over others to help him escape.

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Some call him The Laughing Man, or the Momus, or the Jack of Tears. Whatever he's called, the King of the Balseraphs has held court at the dark heart of Jubilee for at least two centuries, and there is evidence he occupied this land before the Age of Ice, though perhaps in a different form. He has since grown mighty on the power of the blood of captured slaves.
Yet the Laughing Man is not a mere menace to be feared and destroyed. Mad, capricious, and deadly being that he is, he also possesses a certain gallows humor, a fondness for bravery and honesty, and a seemingly insuperable compulsion to keep his word (though he is fond of using tricks and the subtleties of language to keep from being locked into any agreements).

All alone. Just him and four walls. Again.
"You know you weren't in jail back then, dear boy," Sister Serisa told him. "The Sisterhood of Sirona took care of you, as best we could. The Asylum was unpleasant, perhaps, but it wasn't like this. You were starving when we took you in, starving and wandering the street conversing with your long dead parents."
"She tried to keep us away from you, Perpentach. Locked us all away, told you we wouldn't always be there with you." His mother reached out her arms to him.
"You aren't mad, child," Kylorin, his savior, told him. "You're a magical savant, a person with exceptional talent. Talent for mind magic in your case. The Asylum was proof of that. Almost three hundred patients were dead of neglect, because the entire sisterhood is enthralled by your every whim. I could use power like that."
His teacher paced the small cell. "Magic always has an effect on those who use it, I've found, especially the unprepared. Your power brought a terrible price upon you—a copy of those in whose heads you trespassed, residing in your own mind. This was the source of your madness. When I found you, I locked this part of your mind away using your own power."
"That's not all you did," said the older Kylorin to his young apparition. "You traded madness for wickedness. We were too power-mad to notice how corrupted you were, my son. I'm sorry I had to do this to you."
"Corrupted? You betrayed us, and everything we worked for!" The younger Kylorin pushed the elder against the cold stone wall of Perpentach's cell. "I would have been proud of what Perpentach was able to accomplish!"
"Proud? Gods, I killed Gastrius for less than the atrocity Perpentach committed."
Gastrius leaned in over his mentor's shoulder to add, "But you couldn't kill Perp. He was stronger than you, the strongest of us all. He almost killed you, the great and powerful Kylorin—self-righteous traitor."
The elder Kylorin pushed free, turned away from the crowd. "The evil he did... it wasn't his fault though, it was ours. But I had to stop him. So I let us out. His greatest weakness, at a critical moment, when he nearly overcame me, I undid the protection I had once applied, and that rush of madness was enough. And now we're in here, alone with you. Maybe I should end your sad life once and for all."
"You stay back!" shouted his mother.
Perpentach found being alone with his thoughts too crowded. He fell to the floor, covering his ears and screaming in an attempt to find peace. It was in vain, and desperately he set out his mind in search of others, of some firmament in the sea of his madness. Kylorin had not made the mistake of underestimating him again—there were no human settlements for many miles of his prison, a sunken tower deep in swampland. Every night he searched for any thought, any glimmer of sentient life, until he passed out.
"I swear, you'll drag us to the ends of Patria before you find Kurias, Balmaflu." The speaker was just at the edge of Perpentach's perception, and moving away. A glimmer of hope alit in Perpentach's mind, a wild plan. As he felt the travelers slipping away, he jumped over to this man's mind. His connection to his own body wavered, almost completely broken; back in the cell the mage collapsed to the ground.
"I hear the river," Balmaflu replied, "I'm sure it runs west—Momus, are you alright?" The leader of their troupe leader had gone pale, stopping his wagon abruptly.
"I—we must return..." The Momus was filled with a great unease. Perpentach was desperate to return to his body; hiding in another's mind he was cut off from most of his power. But he needed more than this small theatre troupe to overcome the mindless golems between him and freedom. So he would bide his time... let these fools lead him to a town.
The Momus shook his head. "I'm sorry, my friend... for a moment my thoughts were not my own, as they say. But let us hurry, this marsh gives me ill-feelings."

Rork sought his daughter. She should have returned with the milking. He found her in the field, being dragged away by wolf. Rork grabbed a pitchfork and chased after the wolf. It stayed just out of reach, but he wouldn't give up the chase if it cost him his life, so dear was his daughter.
So hated was the constable's cousin. So beautiful was the blacksmith's love. So valuable was the goods stolen from the mayor's son.
By the time the performers were in sight of the village, they could see the mob marching their way, each person chasing its own demon. The Momus was nearly passed out due to all the energy Perpentach had drained from him to power his illusions. He managed to rasp out "Follow the crowd... back to the swamp..."[PARAGRAPH:2]Many of the villages fell to the assault on the golems. Many had fallen along the way, incapable of the three day march back to the prison. In the end enough survived to free Perpentach. None were forgotten, however. A great multitude joined the crowd inside his mind, but Perpentach learned there were more ways to survive madness than hiding from it. He embraced it, mastering the minds within his mind, ruling both a small fiefdom far from Kylorin's fire, and a grand multitude in the courts inside his mind.

 
It seems Kylorin himself is in Perpentach's mind, so my understanding is that Perpentach is able to copy other people's minds into his own, without necessarily having defeated them magically (if Kylorin has been a victim of Perpy, how does he get to slay Mulcarn ?)
edit: and he does seem to be able to control other people's minds as well...
 
Yeah, he can control other peoples minds. Whenever he uses his mind magic on anyone he creates a copy of his mind within his own. It doesn't require winning, or even knowing what he is doing (be began using mind magic as a young child, long before he could control his own powers). He doesn't try to copy their minds, he just can't help it.

He actually has at least 2 copies of Kyorlin's mind within him, and they hate each other. One is good and one is evil. He also has Gastrius in there, and possibly Laroth (if so, then he possesses the minds and complete knowledge of at least the 4 most powerful mages of the age of magic. If he could get them to cooperate, then he would surely be the most powerful mortal ever, if he is not already)

Kyorlin and Perpentach fought for a very long time, and Perpentach almost won. Perpentach had taken over the mind of Kyorlin, but Kyorlin was still able to reverse a spell he had place on Perpentach as a boy using his own power. This spell suppressed the copies of his victims minds, which Perpentach had never really been able to do very well on his own. This multitude of minds overwhelmed Perpentach, and he lost the focus he needed to maintain control over Kyorlin. These many minds are what makes him insane.

I actually suspect that it was not Kyorlin himself, but the copy of Kyorlin within his mind, who broke the spell, from the inside. It is possible that the real Kyorlin still doesn't know how he managed to defeat Perpantach, and might not be able to do it again. (Of course, the old trick wouldn't work again, as the minds are already free If Perpentach learns to concentrate enough with these minds still screaming out at him to control Kyorlin's mind like he did before, then there is really nothing that could stop him. I can easily see him becoming the Cassawallawn, even in mortal combat against Kyorlin himself.)
 
Looking at his entry I think I can see a quest in Ice to find his prison.
 
Edit: rereading the civilopedia it seems like Perpentach mind (and a copy the mind of every victim of his magic) is indeed physically in his own body, although he took over others to help him escape.
At that point. I assume, personally, that later he grew powerful enough to transfer his spirit as well as his mind into another body and so forstall death.
 
Reading the Perp pedia entry more carefully, it is clearly stated Perp gets a copy of those in whose heads he trespasses.
But does he have 2 copies of Kylorin in his mind, or one of Kylorin and one of Kylorin's sons ? Or does the pedia imply the "corrupted son" is Perp ?

"That's not all you did," said the older Kylorin to his young apparition. "You traded madness for wickedness. We were too power-mad to notice how corrupted you were, my son. I'm sorry I had to do this to you."
That's a bit confusingly phrased in the story. The older Kylorin, the repentant, first addresses the younger Kylorin, the wicked. Then he address Perpentach as "my son."
To Perpentach, the Kylorin who became good betrayed him and their fellow mages, who had it good in the decadent, mage ruled Patria. Kylorin changed so much, that to Perpentach, the old and young are as two different people.
 
Well, it has been confirmed that Kyorlin was not the first man, and that Ceridwen is responsible for Epona's reincarnation and Kyorlin's not-aging; when Queen Epona cheated on Emperor Kyorlin he was about to commit suicide, Ceridwen came to him and convinced him to live in exchange for these gifts, and to devote himself to him. Were it not for Epona's infidelity, Sorcery might never have been known to man.


Still, I really want to know what happened to the First Man.
 
Perpentach was a student of Kylorin iirc, all of his students became very powerful mages, Perpentach in mind, Laroth in spirit... I think there was another one but I'm not sure.
 
Gastrius was his other great student (don't know what he specialized in, but Kyorlin killed him. There is still a backup of his mind inside of Perpentach, however)

Gionn the Second mage was likely his student too (although apparently he was just made up to make AoI sound like it had a deeper backstory, and we don't really know anythign about him.)
 
Y'know, I always figured, "They are all immortal, moving on..."

But seriously, has anyone came up with an excuse as to why Charadon is still alive, long after the Age of Ice?
 
*has always wanted to know that too, especially since Kael said in the Trivia Thread that he's older than Cardith, who seems to be living longer than a normal centaur at least.* How long do centaurs live anyway? General biology predicts that larger animals live longer, but then again, humans seem to be exceptions to this rule.
 
yeah, well we have medicine. before that, we didn't live that long. 30 was a wise old age...
 
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