Let's Discuss Poland

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I find it strange that people seem to think that inclusion in a video game (as much as I love that game and have since the original game on my186 or something like that) is the ultimate award given to a nation or civilization. It is just a game people.

Poland has contributed lots to the world culture and history. So have many other peoples or nations still here or lost to the pages of History.

I myself prefer to play civs with more history to them and so never play the Americans but I might give Poland a try were they included but I don't really care one way or another.

i haven't had the opportunity yet to create colonies but I think it would be cool in the game if an instance presented itself an historical nation created from the parent Civ. I have seen this happen once when the Romans created a colony as the Byzantines I thought it was kind of cool. I think it would be neat if i were playing England and I created a colony and up Pops MacDonald of Canada, and that was the only way to get that on the board. And I am canadian! And wouldn't mind at all if the whole American Civ was relegated to colony only creation. There are lots that could be like that.

I apreciate my American cousins (dispite our differences) and I can also appreciate the contributions to world culture by the poles. I think the nation bashing is a little petty.

And I think that English is the most wide spread language. It might not be the most spoken mother tounge but it is the most spoken around the world. Includeing Britian, Ireland, Canada, USA, Australia, South Africa lots of other African countries and even India Pakistan etc.
 
This thread is not anti-polish. It is a place to put any and all Poland comments so other topics can proceed without interruption or fear of being distorted from their purpose. It's useful, and if you don't wish to comment on Poland here please refrain from doing so in other threads.

I missed this. I meant that this thread was already hijacked by anti-poles.
 
I find it strange that people seem to think that inclusion in a video game (as much as I love that game and have since the original game on my186 or something like that) is the ultimate award given to a nation or civilization. It is just a game people.

Poland has contributed lots to the world culture and history. So have many other peoples or nations still here or lost to the pages of History.

I myself prefer to play civs with more history to them and so never play the Americans but I might give Poland a try were they included but I don't really care one way or another.

i haven't had the opportunity yet to create colonies but I think it would be cool in the game if an instance presented itself an historical nation created from the parent Civ. I have seen this happen once when the Romans created a colony as the Byzantines I thought it was kind of cool. I think it would be neat if i were playing England and I created a colony and up Pops MacDonald of Canada, and that was the only way to get that on the board. And I am canadian! And wouldn't mind at all if the whole American Civ was relegated to colony only creation. There are lots that could be like that.

I apreciate my American cousins (dispite our differences) and I can also appreciate the contributions to world culture by the poles. I think the nation bashing is a little petty.
I ahve to agree with this.
 
To Hoopsnerd:
I get tired of all the polish spam on these threads. However, there is nothing wrong Poland itself or with including it as a civ. It lowers the level of discussion and causes a lot of unnecessary grief if you're rude. I'd rather there be reasoning instead of comments like yours. Those just validate TheLastOne's persecution complex that EVERYONE is against Poland just because they don't think it has to be included.

I'm not against Poland (in particular) at all, I'm against including civs that don't belong in the game, and Poland is the only country that i see people spamming to be included in civ.

And for the record, I'm against including America even tho I happen to be from the particular country that the term "America" is referencing. America isn't even a freaking country, it's the general term for the two large landmasses of North and South America. How is America a civ? It's totally ridiculous, but at least the influence of the USA (be it good or bad) on it's neighbors and the rest of the world cannot be argued. I'm actually embarrassed that the USA calls itself "America" as if we are the only nation on the continent.
 
It would be nice to see an official Polish Civ included in the future.

I'm also 1/4 Polish - Polska Duma! :crazyeye:
 
I'm not Polish.
Anyway perhaps the real reason for no Poland is...

German troops have captured the Polish city of Warsaw!
The Germans have razed Warsaw!
 
I'm not Polish.
Anyway perhaps the real reason for no Poland is...

German troops have captured the Polish city of Warsaw!
The Germans have razed Warsaw!

Yeah, thats probably the only reason too...

I'm sure that Poland losing a war or two had something to do with it, but I'm pretty sure it's because Poland just isn't as significant as the other civilizations selected by the developers to be in the game. It's just not significant enough, it just isn't, get over it. There are currently 194 countries in the world, they can't all be a civilization in this game, the most significant ones must be chosen. Poland isn't one of the top 50 nations/countries/civs/city states of all time, and anyone outside of a Polish Nationalistic mindset would not argue that.
 
Moderator Action: I don't know what it is with Poland, but it seems like every subject eventually goes Polish. So, rather than deal with it over dozens of threads, let's try keeping it to just this one. I may change my mind later, but for now let's see what happens. So, let's discuss Poland...

Note: You still need to keep your posts within [rules]forum rules[/rules]. Also, I'll be closing any other threads turned Polish and aiming them here. Keep it legal guys and discuss what you've already discussed a thousand times.

Excellent! I'm bored to tears of the P*lish nagging propaganda. And while I'm at it, let me say that I am against Poland being included in "Civilization". It simply hasn't achieved enough to do so, in my opinion. And I've seen all the arguments for its inclusion a thousand times, and I have lost count of the times I've seen that map of a big medieval Poland (which mostly consisted of unpeopled Ukrainian steppes). So I won't post any further in this thread. I just hope the Polish activists will accept that this is the one and only thread for such discussions. Whining that this constitutes "a Polish ghetto" is simply silly.
 
Actually i think at this stage most non-poles wouldn boycott the game if Poland are in it, so in fact theres no chance they will be now... anyway, give the pople what they want: Yugoslavia

You know, if Poland had been included in Civ IV, I would have been rather puzzled but thought nothing more about it. But after the yammering to include Poland that has been the bane of these forums since last spring, I very well might refuse to buy a version of Civ with Poland in it. That would be a first for me, but childish nagging, frequently coupled with the flaming of other countries and cultures, should not be rewarded. And as soon as you post that you don't see any reason to include Poland, or that you are tired of the nagging, you get accused of "Polonophobia".

Oops! I did post again here. But I won't again, and that's the truth, master Frodo. As a parting shot, let me mention that that game which used the title "Civilization" but wasn't produced by Sid Meier (Activision, was it?) included a lot of countries like Trinidad and so on - very minor countries, some of them. It just felt silly.
 
What is the deal with Poland? Pride in one's culture is definitely good in my book, no doubt about that. But I must be presented with how exactly POLAND herself was ever a Major empire. Sure the HRE wasn't a powerful or long lasting empire, but it carried great weight in the history of the world with regards to how religion effected governments directly (IE the Pope). The late 1700s / early 1800s seem to be the only time that Poland was especially strong in Europe from what I read on the not-always-reliable wikipedia. Only a few notable peoples (on the planetary scale) came from Poland: Pope John Paul II, Copernicus (big one there), Chopin, and army commander Tadeusz Kościuszko (according once again to the not-so-reliable-wikipedia).

Please note: This is not an attempted flame, I truly am ignorant to much of Poland's history. I only know a bit from it's role in WWII through the present.

Edit: I have no problem with Poland, am not Polonophobic, nor am I racist against Polish, I simply require proof that Poland was a major enough power or important enough (worldwide) to be represented as an Empire which is what nations in CIV are called.
 
Well, if it was posted on the internet I HAVE to believe it... :)

Edit: This site has been deemed totally reliable, based on the graphic in the top right corner that says "WE HAVE NEW ADDRESS" in bold letters placed over the address on the web site. The mark of a true professional. :)

INTERNET is TRUTH....;)

(attempt at humor)
Ah yes, we Poles do have our Civ Specific ways of doing things......:)

http://www.polstore.com/
 
Please note: This is not an attempted flame, I truly am ignorant to much of Poland's history. I only know a bit from it's role in WWII through the present.

But that's just the thing, isn't it... a Civ ought to be famous outside the knowledge of it's own people and/or have been a major player at some point in history to be included. Medicority with an occasional small flash of regional not doing to bad-ness doesn't cut it.
 
Agreed. I can also reach back into Italian history (not Roman, but Italy as a nation) and find a number of deeds and numerous famous people that I could put forth as reasons to make Italy herself a playable civ, but the arguments would not be justified. They wouldn't show that Italy deserves status as EMPIRE in a game about major imperial powers. Italy played an important role in WWII being the nation that first implemented fascism passing it on to Nazi Germany and the Nationalist Spanish movement in the Spanish civil war.

A bit more pivotal than the first country to be invaded. But hey, I'm just presenting my point, I ain't trying to flame.

After all this, I still believe Italy has no part in this game. and I'm 100% Italian (75% Sicilian which means I'm even more impassioned than my more stable mainland counterparts). maybe you impassioned Polish can see these points as well.
 
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