Another suggestion would be an improved "Cavalry" unit with added defense against "Tanks,"
Umm you do know that never happened... it ws propagonda...
Polish promoters were laughing hystericly at the inclusion of Canada into Civ.
Yah that was me, and i LIVED IN CANADA FOR HALF OF MY LIFE. I stil lsee canada as a joke.
Poland has no more merit than Canada does to be included.
No seriously. All that canada did, if fight in WW1 and 2. i'd defend canada if it was some guy bashing saying canada did nothing in the world wars etc. But seriously what else did canada do?
Compare that to Poland, who also fought in both wars (in one way or another) and fought just as hard as france, saved austria's ass at the battle of vienna, fought and captured moscow, being the only nation to do so other then Napoleon, fought tons of battles with the ottomans, Gained tons of territory from russia, and even though Germany got poland in WW2, we still fought in other countries. We defeatedt he german held mountoin Monte Casino even though no one else could, and we have never been invaded succesfully by only 1 country. the two times poland ceased to exist in history was 1. The partisans which was a group effort of russia, prussia and Austria. 2. In WW2 when we were invaded by both the soviets and Germany.
it's hard to compare Poland to Canada. I can only think of comparing Poland to Sweden or Austria.
To me, a civilization is a society which began long ago as a city-state and later evolved into an empire (multiple city-states)
Before the baptism of Miezko in the 9th century, there's evidence that there was polish city states. which was later united by some uknown king, and became christian by the first recorded Polish King, Miezko the first.
that held power in the form of cultural influence and military might.
Quite similar to poland don't you think?
A civilization evolved naturally and easilly assimilated it's neighbors with it's culture and influence
Try doing that with a Pope controlled(sorta) HRE, Russia, Sweden, Hungary and Austria. Very hard. Not the exact same as how The roman empire did. (although the egypt might be the only notable one)
I think it's hard to argue that any new "civilization" came into existence after the colonial period of the late rennaissance
Poland first appeared as a unified country over 1200 years ago.
because all of these places were already settled by, for lack of a better term, "civilized" people.
Only Poles lived in Poland. Your point?
Since most people are unfamiliar with ancient history, and wouldn't appreciate playing as "The Anasazi Tribe" for instance, Civ includes familar "countries" (even though they aren't "civs")
Your thinking of Ancient Civilizations. Not Civilizations.
hat have been exteremly influential (in relation to it's neighbors)
pretty hard with Poland's nieghbores. But nobody was able tobe extremely influencial to poland to. That must count as something.
he key word here is "exteremely influential." Poland was not extremely influential in any way shape or form.
I'll agree. But then again nobody was Extremely Influencial to Poland to.
What things are of Polish origin that have been adopted worldwide? I can think of one historical figure -- Nicholus Copernicus... other than that, I've got to say Poland is pretty much broke as far as influence goes.
Chopin is one.
Just breaking off from another civilization ~1000 AD and doing virtually nothing after that does NOT make you a candidate for being one of the top ~25 most influential "civilizations" of all time and thus warrant inclusion in the game: Civilization.
breaking off? where is this breaking off in our history?
Edit: So yes, Poland being included in civ 4... it's a joke.
Thanks for your support. I think you helped proove my points.
asically correct. Just trying to keep all the Polish threads in one spot, rather than scattered across multiple threads.
But that's the fun part! there's tons of runnign around, different arguements everywhere!
Methink that this guy should get a ban for xenophobic trolling.
