Lionised and Vilified

[vranasm]

looks like great TS Cam.

I am a bit nervous we don't have anything better then chariots, that ottoman iron is long term project, that east iron somewhat too.

We could trade with Cathy aesth->medi (she doesn't want to give more, so she probably goes along the aesth line anyway) and with Maria Theresa aesth->sail+poly.

I see you put the research on Currency, but I am still thinking about going for Music. Problem is that math is not unlocked in trades.
We need third AI to research it, but we could put our rep research while acumulating gold and once math opens (hopefully by nappy) we have better negotiate position.

I would finish both settlers and settle that cow+horse city east of our future HE site.
Capital should pump some chariots out, we need them for those barb cities anyway.

edit:

imo the next TS is critical to our success ;-)

 

[lymond]

good TS, Cam.

Berlin can start pumping some chariots to take out that Barb city to the east, which should be razed. We should consider resettling over there though.

I think Currency is needed. We may still make Music, but we sorely need the cash.

Yep, Med for Aesths with Cathy to set up a Philo bulb. Might trade it to Maria for Poly/Sailing. We will want a LH in or Fish city and need Poly for Lit. These guys will just trade it around anyway

 

[nocho]

Yeah, nice. With Frankfurt founded we secured ourselves a really big piece of land. I guess we can turtle away a bit to grow a nice big empire here.

 

[pigswill]

Couple more chariots from Berlin to raze east barb city before someone captures and keeps it. Settler east to finish our perimeter. By going south to the tundra we can get iron pretty soon.

If we trade aesthetics again then it stops being duopoly tech and will probably get traded around, so we either don't trade at all or trade it as widely as possible. If we pick up meditation then at least we can bulb philo. Sailing may help with trade route income (haven't checked map in enough detail to be sure).

 

[cabert]

Since I don't quite understand what we're doing right now, I guess it may be better if we swapped.

I opened the game and saw :
- running 0% science
- building loads of settlers

that's the moment when I thought "wow, there must be a trick running that I do not understand"

 

[Cam_H]

0% science is just for hand-over (and discussion). I wasn't sure if we were going for Math's or Literature or Currency or 'what the what?'!

Settlers ... we've more or less decided to REX.

No swapsies ... unless you insist!

 

[vranasm]

Since I don't quite understand what we're doing right now, I guess it may be better if we swapped.

I opened the game and saw :
- running 0% science
- building loads of settlers

that's the moment when I thought "wow, there must be a trick running that I do not understand"

ah com'on... we have rep scientists... we can rex until we are above 0 with 0% slider ;-)

and if I got it correctly we plan only 2 more cities to settle (1 west, 1 east of capital) and raze the barb cities ;-)

bad news is that AI's are not willing to cooperate with our plans and don't tech currency as we wanted.

 

[nocho]

Looking a bit at the screenshots again, I think we should settle our GS in the cap for a nice 15.75 bpt extra, courtesy of rep and the academy. At 0% science that should bring down currency to about 14 turns instead of 24. I think we really should get currency asap, especially as we are looking to settle some more spots and possibly capture some (barb) cities. If some AI gets it meanwhile and wants to trade it (which is not a given), we could at least trade for it cheaper. The philo bulb can wait imo, nobody has CoL/Drama yet anyway. Maybe we should even build research in some places to speed it up,

I assume we want to chop out the GLib in Berlin? Too bad we don't have marble though.

 

[Sengir]

I can agree with settling this GS, as we're not close to bulbing Philo at this point and I'd rather not bulb math with him. Next GP won't take too long anyway. Do we want to start teching Currency? Or math to work towards the bulb? Or Literature for the GLib?
Either way, we might consider trading for the small techs (Med, Poly)

 

[Cam_H]

I assume we want to chop out the GLib in Berlin? Too bad we don't have marble though.

I was actually hoping for Frankfurt to be paired with the National Epic, but admit that it's a much lower-percentage tactic (fairly low meaning emphasis on whips, no Library at the moment). Also hoping for a Great Engineer to rush it (although I appreciate that not everyone's a fan of this move).

In light of all of the above, Berlin looks to be a good option.

 

[lymond]

I'm not necessarily opposed to burning a GE on the TGL for a Philo leader when you don't have any bonuses on the wonder. At face value the hammer value is not good, but for Philo leader running Rep it is an instant boost to research and GPPs leading to more GPs sooner and possible leveraging of a strategy from that move.

 

[nocho]

Mmm, I assumed we had literature already... But we don't, so maybe GLib is not all that feasible anyway. I really think we should go currency first, if after that GLib is still unbuilt (or rather still nobody has literature yet) we might still try for it. Or we may just have to live without it.

 

[cabert]

OK, no swap

So the plan is to settle 1 west and 1 east, razing barb cities (really ? one of them looks good), go to currency as fast as possible, try to get maths from trade.
Do we have something about diplo I should know?
nappy being at war, he shouldn't attack us, but others will ask we help. Any ideas about that?

 

[nocho]

Do we have something about diplo I should know?
nappy being at war, he shouldn't attack us, but others will ask we help. Any ideas about that?

Just try to appease everyone, where possible. Obviously we cannot afford any wars for now. Haven't looked at that, but possibly you could cancel an OB-deal preemptively, if you deem it wise to do so.

 

[Cam_H]

Just try to appease everyone, where possible. Obviously we cannot afford any wars for now. Haven't looked at that, but possibly you could cancel an OB-deal preemptively, if you deem it wise to do so.

Thanks for that suggestion nocho.

Turn 5 | Turn 98 | 425BC

We cancel Open Borders with France with the view of at least not attracting the ire of either of our neighbours; the HRE or the Ottomans.

 

[cabert]

So I played until currency was in.

the save

As agreed on, I settled the great scientist in Berlin

I did a lot of non agreed to trades :
- aesthetics not being a monopoly, I traded it for sailing + poly + priesthood + mono

I tried to kill a barb city. no luck, 2 lost chariots.
I had to rebuke several war time help demands. Diplo doesn't look good.

I settled 'c' city.
I finished the other settler, sent it west of Berlin, and have no idea where he should go. sheep + gold + iron maybe? or marble deer? or silver deer?

I whipped a bit (a monument and a work boat), but not too much.
Finally I asked 20 gold from cathy.

and that's it.

 

[nocho]

Got it, will look at it hopefully this evening.

If diplo doesn't look too good and if we still have no metals, I guess it would be wise to settle near the iron. Other comments after actually seeing the save.

 

[cabert]

Got it, will look at it hopefully this evening.

If diplo doesn't look too good and if we still have no metals, I guess it would be wise to settle near the iron. Other comments after actually seeing the save.

we have iron already

 

[pigswill]

It might be worth checking out south east corner to see if there's seafood near tundra silver.
Sheep/gold/iron looks fine for now unless we decide that marble is a short term priority.

 

[nocho]

It might be worth checking out south east corner to see if there's seafood near tundra silver.

Will do.

Sheep/gold/iron looks fine for now unless we decide that marble is a short term priority.

Don't know about the tech situation (a screenshot would've helped ), but if nobody has literature yet, settling and hooking up marble might make sense while teching literature and while prechopping woods in Berlin for GLib. Since I understand aesthetics has been traded around, we'd have to be quick though, if it's still feasible at all.