Loose Change

Rik Meleet

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Tonight Dutch television broadcasted "Loose change" - a documentary about the investigation of September 11 and unanswered questions related to that. The Loose change 911 website, where the film can be watched or ordered on DVD, states:
"Loose Change 2nd Edition" is the follow-up to the most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today.

This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government.

Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day.

IT IS EVERYONE'S DUTY TO VIEW THIS FILM!
What do you think of this documentary ?
For those who comment on the documentary; please state whether you've seen it or not (or only partly).
 
Rik Meleet said:
Tonight Dutch television broadcasted "Loose change" - a documentary about the investigation of September 11 and unanswered questions related to that. The Loose change 911 website, where the film can be watched or ordered on DVD, states:

What do you think of this documentary ?
For those who comment on the documentary; please state whether you've seen it or not (or only partly).

A lot of threads on it, most people hate it. I didn't mind it too much.
 
It's a crock, rubbish, trash, bull, and a host of words.
 
I found a lot of amusing but sad irony in the fact that the film ends by imploring the viewer to research these events thoroughly. An internet search for Loose Change has plenty of sites to debunk these claims, most notably Popular Mechanics magazine. The filmmakers probably assume that most people won't do the research.

It's been a while since I watched that movie, but I did see it start to finish.

The amount of people who would have to be in on the conspiracy but keep it quiet is pretty much proof that it wasn't this sort of conspiracy.
 
Maddox put it best...
 
Maddox owned it.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
We need a link to Maddox.

:lol: Thanks for the link! Quick question, though. What the heck is "bukkaked"? His hit counter said something like "<insert number here> have been bukkaked".
 
VRWCAgent said:
:lol: Thanks for the link! Quick question, though. What the heck is "bukkaked"? ".
Best answered in a PM
 
Rik, I can't believe that you (a moderator) of all people would bring up loose change. You must have been bukkaked.
 
I give you this telling paragraph from popular mechanics:

World Trade Center towers--and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later--initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTC's structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes.

You know the link. The reports of firemen indicate that the fires weren't extreme. Popular mechanics has no credibility. I don't know why people say that it has. :confused: The propaganda piece was even written by the cousin of Michael Chertoff (the head of homeland security).

The NIST article linked by that clown Maddox is also pathetic. They say a) that they didn't look for or test for residues of explosives and b) That they also didn't find any evidence for explosives. Talk about moronic! They also say that the speed with which the buildings collapsed could be explained by 'limited resistance to the enormous mass falling from above'. Well, since the falling mass would obviously have been increasing progessively and at the start it was relatively small, there would have been resistance at first. This is intellectually bankrupt and obviously BS. There is plenty of evidence for explosives, from Silverstein admitting it, the lab tests showing the presence of thermite, the dust and the eyewitnesses to police reports of unexploded bombs. But, for some reason, NIST just didn't follow this up, wouldn't you have followed it up? I know I would have.

If you compare sections 11 and 12 in the NIST report, you can see the problem The theory had been hatched and evidence was only looked for that might support it. As far as I'm concerned this is completely balloney.

NIST investigators and experts from the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEONY)&#8212;who inspected the WTC steel at the WTC site and the salvage yards&#8212;found no evidence that would support the melting of steel in a jet-fuel ignited fire in the towers prior to collapse. The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing.

So they provide no explanation for the molten steel, and in fact don't even directly confirm or deny it's existance. Why can't they be explicit about this? If molten steel is found I demand an explanation for it; it is rather important.

Maddox is an idiot. He hasn't mentioned any sensible theory and successfully debunked only straw man theories. What a genius! :rolleyes:

OK so, loose change is an anthology of some of the wilder and less plausible theories about 9/11. OK so it's not particularly credible, but that does not support the official theory in any way. In fact it's the loose change guys and others that are damaging the truth campaigns. I just wish people wouldn't lose their critical faculties so easilly. :cry: Having said that, there is worse nonsense coming from the official side.
 
Xenocrates said:
So they provide no explanation for the molten steel, and in fact don't even directly confirm or deny it's existance. Why can't they be explicit about this? If molten steel is found I demand an explanation for it; it is rather important.

No molten steel was found, maybe molten metal. Many other metals have a much lower melting point.

It's late, and well i am over 21, so not in the best state of mine now.
 
woody60707 said:
No molten steel was found, maybe molten metal. Many other metals have a much lower melting point.

It's late, and well i am over 21, so not in the best state of mine now.

The NIST report doesn't say that there wasn't any molten metal and, indeed, clear up workers have taken photos of it (posted before here). Whether it was steel or not is open to debate, but judging by the high volume of the stuff and it's appearance steel has to be a possibility. The clear up workers said that it was steel and they should be able to tell the difference between steel and copper.

NISt just glosses over this question because they assumed wasn't relevant to the enquiry.
 
Red Stranger said:
Rik, I can't believe that you (a moderator) of all people would bring up loose change.
Who should have brought it up instead ?
The happenings on September 11th 2001 can be considered a murder case. It is such an important moment in history as 2 invasions and occupations follow from it. As well as the morphing into a police-state-like society and global unrest. Not to mention a large number of people that have died as a consequence of it in -for instance- Iraq. The current American foreign policy has changed, based solely on this event. As well as freedom-limiting measures as the PATRIOT-act.
To me that means the murdercase deserves careful investigation. The official investigation has left some questions unanswered, such as "Why are 9 of the 19 (21?) hijackers possibly still alive today?" & "Why were the 'black boxes' of the 2 planes that hit the WTC completely destroyed (unique for 'black boxes'), but the hijackers were able to be identified by their passports?"
As long as this murder-investigation has open or unsatisfactorily answered important questions the case should not be closed.
Red Stranger said:
You must have been bukkaked.
That's private.
 
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