ls612's C2C Units

ls612 said:
@Hydro:

I'm not going to be doing the Llama changes until after V24 is released, as they seem far-reaching for a freeze change. All of the other changes are in now. Please don't ask for any new art until V24 is released, as SO needs to make a new set of FPKs before release.
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Ok however people do ride llamas ...

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They can also pull carts. So I want to make a llama chariot too.

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Hydromancerx said:
Ok however people do ride llamas ...

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They can also pull carts. So I want to make a llama chariot too.

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I'm not against making them, I'm just against making them during the freeze. After V24 is released I'm more than willing to make the Llamas, as well as add the Ornithopter.
 
@ls612

When you updated the giant panda you did not copy over the size stuff. Zoo Tycoon models are extremely small compared to Civ4 ones and as a result they appear very tiny if you don't chnage their stats.

In the Art Defines file for it in needs to be changed to ...

Code: 
<fScale>30.0</fScale>

Also ...

Code: 
			<ShadowDef>
				<ShadowNIF>Art/Units/01_UnitShadows/HorseShadow.nif</ShadowNIF>
				<ShadowAttachNode>LionBip Spine1</ShadowAttachNode>
				<fShadowScale>0</fShadowScale>
			</ShadowDef>

Because the shadow will be too huge if you don't.

Same goes for the Subdued Panda.

In short please try to fix before the update, otherwise it will appear as a tiny ant sized panda.
 
Hydromancerx said:
@ls612

When you updated the giant panda you did not copy over the size stuff. Zoo Tycoon models are extremely small compared to Civ4 ones and as a result they appear very tiny if you don't chnage their stats.

In the Art Defines file for it in needs to be changed to ...

Code: 
<fScale>30.0</fScale>

Also ...

Code: 
			<ShadowDef>
				<ShadowNIF>Art/Units/01_UnitShadows/HorseShadow.nif</ShadowNIF>
				<ShadowAttachNode>LionBip Spine1</ShadowAttachNode>
				<fShadowScale>0</fShadowScale>
			</ShadowDef>

Because the shadow will be too huge if you don't.

Same goes for the Subdued Panda.

In short please try to fix before the update, otherwise it will appear as a tiny ant sized panda.
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Sorry, I fixed that now.
 
@ls612

Here is another llama unit for after the freeze.

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Llama Archer
Graphic: (See Attachment)
Icon: (See Attachment)
Type: Mounted
Strength: 7
Movement: 2
Cost: 60
Req Tech: Mounted Archery
Req Resource: Llama
Req Building: Llama Trainer
Upgrades To: Autogyro (Until a better unit is made to upgrade to)

Special Abilities
  • 1-2 First Strikes
  • Immune to First Strikes
  • Doesn't Receive Defensive Bonuses
  • +25% Scrub Attack
  • +25% Rocky Attack
  • +25% Peak Attack
  • -25% Forest Attack
  • -25% Jungle Attack
  • -25% Swamp Attack
  • +25% vs Catapult
  • +25% vs Trebuchet
  • Can Perform Ranged Attacks
  • Accuracy 60
  • Starts with Commando, Mountaineering

Use Horse Archer as a Base.

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Thanks! :goodjob:
 
@ls612

Please add ....

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Homing Pigeon
Graphic: Use Subdued Pigeon
Icon: Use Subdued Pigeon
Type: Animal (Flying)
Strength: 1
Movement: 3
Cost: 40
Req Tech: Writing AND Poultry Domestication
Req Resource: -
Req Building: Homing Pigeon Coop
Upgrades To: War Pigeon

Special Abilities
  • Can Only Defend
  • Can Evade Interception (15%)
  • Ignores Terrain Movement
  • Invisible to Most Units
  • Hidden Nationality

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War Pigeon
Graphic: Use Subdued Pigeon
Icon: Use Subdued Pigeon
Type: Animal (Flying)
Strength: 1
Movement: 3
Cost: 100
Req Tech: Photography
Req Resource: -
Req Building: Homing Pigeon Coop
Upgrades To: Remote Controlled Bomber

Special Abilities
  • Can Only Defend
  • Can Evade Interception (25%)
  • Ignores Terrain Movement
  • Invisible to Most Units
  • Hidden Nationality
  • Starts with Sentry

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Also please chnage the Remote Controlled Bomber to Upgrade into the Global Hawk. Thus it would be ....

Homing Pigeon -> War Pigeon -> Remote Controlled Bomber -> Global Hawk

Thus the Pigeons are like Areal Spys. First with sedning messages and the other taking photographs.

War Pigeon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_pigeon

Thanks! :goodjob:
 
@Hydro:

I'm fine with adding carrier pidgeons, but can we name them Carrier Pigeons instead of homing pigeons, the latter makes me think of a type of ordinance.:rolleyes: Other than that, I'll add them once I finish with the rest of my colossal backlog.
 
ls612 said:
@Hydro:

I'm fine with adding carrier pidgeons, but can we name them Carrier Pigeons instead of homing pigeons, the latter makes me think of a type of ordinance.:rolleyes: Other than that, I'll add them once I finish with the rest of my colossal backlog.
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Sure Carrier Pigeon sounds fine. Just make sure the later is called a War Pigeon since that's what they were called in WWI.

Thanks! Good luck with your backlog. Guess you must yearn for the days when I did not have anything for you to do yet. ;)
 
I've been thinking about the pigeons, and I have some issues with them. First of all, in ancient times, pigeons were primarily used for communication, which is not really represented in civ. They would ferry a message from one person to another, but would not generally conduct reconaissance. The later pigeon would be a good early recon unit, but I think it should have a chance of not coming back from a mission, unrelated to the enemy AA capabilities (they could die or get eaten, or shot by some farmer). I'm not certain how to do that, as I think that the kamikaze is only for attacks.
 
Hydromancerx said:
If I can make them I will add them. That's the only limit at the moment.
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Every unit and building we add further slows down turn procesing (it doesn't matter if any have been built or not, they all add to it, though extant ones more of course). It's a small effect, but in aggregate significant, so we shouldn't add too many things that don't add uniqueness just for flavour.
 
Koshling said:
Every unit and building we add further slows down turn processing (it doesn't matter if any have been built or not, they all add to it, though extant ones more of course). It's a small effect, but in aggregate significant, so we shouldn't add too many things that don't add uniqueness just for flavor.
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I am going to have to agree with Koshling on this one guys, there are getting to be way to many "specialized" units, infact, i'd rather not see any unit from before Transhuman from now on, lets get those in first and worry about the smaller era's later that already have lots and lots of units, especially need them for the Galactic Era.
 
strategyonly said:
I am going to have to agree with Koshling on this one guys, there are getting to be way to many "specialized" units, infact, i'd rather not see any unit from before Transhuman from now on, lets get those in first and worry about the smaller era's later that already have lots and lots of units, especially need them for the Galactic Era.
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Cool, that means I can scrap the pigeon stuff, which I thought was rather quirky in the first place. Sorry Hydro. :D
 
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