ls612's C2C Units

@intlidave

Well at the moment we have the Mounted units separated as follows in their upgrade paths ...

- Elephants -> Tanks
- Horses (and Camels) -> Gunships
- Chariots/War Wagons -> Armored Cars

The reason for this is based upon how their unit worked in earlier eras. For instance the Bombard Elephant was very much like a Tank, likewise a War Wagon with it armored carriage is very similar to how an armored car works. The cavalry is mobile like the gunships and can move very quickly. Not nearly as armored as a Tank/Elephant or Armored Car/War Wagon.
 
I see where you're coming from, but there's still a few problems there (cavalry is too hopelessly obsolete by the time you get helicopters, etc.)
How about
Elephants -> Tanks
Wagons -> Tanks AND Armored cars
Cavalry -> Armored cars AND Helicopters
?
 
intlidave said:
I see where you're coming from, but there's still a few problems there (cavalry is too hopelessly obsolete by the time you get helicopters, etc.)
How about
Elephants -> Tanks
Wagons -> Tanks AND Armored cars
Cavalry -> Armored cars AND Helicopters
?
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That would go well with what I'm doing with the Transhuman Era balance, unfortunately we are in the freeze, so these changes would need to wait until after we release V26.
 
ls612 said:
That would go well with what I'm doing with the Transhuman Era balance, unfortunately we are in the freeze, so these changes would need to wait until after we release V26.
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Go ahead, its ok. Thats a minor correction.
 
intlidave said:
I see where you're coming from, but there's still a few problems there (cavalry is too hopelessly obsolete by the time you get helicopters, etc.)
How about
Elephants -> Tanks
Wagons -> Tanks AND Armored cars
Cavalry -> Armored cars AND Helicopters
?
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I disagree with that statement (in bold). The Autogyro comes very early. Aviation and Armored Vehicles are in the same column on the tech tree. Thus someone could get Autogyros before they get Tanks.

On a side note if we are going to transition Horses into Tanks perhaps we should have this ...

images


Horse Tank

EDIT: Also some other cool tanks.

I like this fantasy one ...

fantasy-tank-Egyptian.jpg
 
Hydromancerx said:
I disagree the Autogyro comes very early. Aviation and Armored Vehicles are in the same column on the tech tree. Thus someone could get Autogyros before they get Tanks.
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Armored Cars comes at about the same time as Autogyros. I think it's nice to have more upgrade choices starting in the Modern Era.
 
@Vokarya:

Is the Highwayman only to a "strict" vicinity, because i can only get him from 1 city in my civ??
Infact he doesn't even show up in the Slave's unit i can get from them in that city??
 
strategyonly said:
@Vokarya:

Is the Highwayman only to a "strict" vicinity, because i can only get him from 1 city in my civ??
Infact he doesn't even show up in the Slave's unit i can get from them in that city??
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Highwayman is supposed to be limited to the Highwayman's Hideout building. The Hideout is only supposed to require Horse and Sulphur resources in your civilization:

Code: 
<Bonus>BONUS_HORSE</Bonus>
	<PrereqBonuses>
		<Bonus>BONUS_SULPHUR</Bonus>
	</PrereqBonuses>

Then you're supposed to have Highwayman's Hideout and Horse Trainer to train Highwayman, and have access to Firearms, Horse, and Sulphur resources in the city that does the training. Only the Horse has to be in the city vicinity for the Horse Trainer requirement. I don't know what else could stop you from training the Highwayman unit.

There aren't any units that upgrade to Highwayman, so the Slave shouldn't be able to upgrade to that.
 
Vokarya said:
Highwayman is supposed to be limited to the Highwayman's Hideout building. The Hideout is only supposed to require Horse and Sulphur resources in your civilization:
There aren't any units that upgrade to Highwayman, so the Slave shouldn't be able to upgrade to that.
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ahh that might be my downfall then, i dont see the Hideout anyplace, :hmm:
 
strategyonly said:
ahh that might be my downfall then, i dont see the Hideout anyplace, :hmm:
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To build the Hideout, you need Matchlock and Stirrup techs, Horse and Sulphur resources, and be running either Despotism, Monarchy, Feudal, Nationalist, or Mercantile civics. The civic requirement might be your problem - it's supposed to have the same civic requirement as Pirate's Cove.
 
Hydromancerx said:
I disagree with that statement (in bold). The Autogyro comes very early. Aviation and Armored Vehicles are in the same column on the tech tree. Thus someone could get Autogyros before they get Tanks.
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Hm... I didn't consider that.

Hydromancerx said:
On a side note if we are going to transition Horses into Tanks perhaps we should have this ...

<snip snip>
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I see your pictures and raise you a video (part about tanks starts around 14:40, but the whole thing is worth watching, it contains info about other amazing medieval inventions)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh5aey_ngc-medieval-fight-book-part-1-3_shortfilms
 
Hydromancerx said:
@ls612

You forgot to chnage Zebra Calvary to your new upgrade system.

Also a few units seem to have their names changed. Please fix the following back to what they were before.

- RCMP should be Mountie
- Cannon should be Heavy Cannon
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Done now on the SVN.
 
@Hydro

Can we add this units that were never used in history to something like medievalpunk tech and then make every punk tech as a one gemeoption i know that not everybody likes that kind of units.
 
Nimek said:
@Hydro

Can we add this units that were never used in history to something like medievalpunk tech and then make every punk tech as a one gemeoption i know that not everybody likes that kind of units.
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I'd prefer to work on the Future eras as opposed to adding alt-timelines for now.
 
Nimek said:
@Hydro

Can we add this units that were never used in history to something like medievalpunk tech and then make every punk tech as a one gemeoption i know that not everybody likes that kind of units.
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Eventually. However all those types of units would need to be made too. Which is not easy to do. ls612 is right Future or even the other alt-timelines already in the game need units before we start adding other alt-timelines.
 
@Hydro:

Speaking of Future eras and units, I went through the TH era and have designed some new future units that I'd like to make after V26 is released. This is going to be a massive Wall of Text in part so that I can create a backlog for myself, as my school begins on tuesday. ;)

Unmanned Destroyer
Graphic: Here
Icon: ?
Type: Nuclear Ships
Strength: 105
Movement: 9
Cost: 480
Req Tech: Unmanned Naval Vehicles
Req Resource: (Steel OR Aluminum) AND Uranium
Req Building: Remote Naval Training Center (new building, you can make stats for it)
Upgrades To: Nothing yet

Special Abilities

  • Can Perform Ranged Attacks
  • Range 1
  • Accuracy 80
  • Can Bombard City Defenses (-22% per turn)
  • +100% Strength vs Wooden Ships
  • +60% Strength vs Steam Ships
  • Can Intercept Enemy Aircraft (20% chance)
  • This unit is Tradable
  • This unit does not contribute to Military happiness or War Weariness
  • Costs 5 :gold: extra per turn
  • This unit defends first against Submarines


Unmanned Attack Submarine
Graphic: Here
Icon: ?
Type: Nuclear Ships
Strength: 125
Movement: 9
Cost: 780
Req Tech: Unmanned Naval Vehicles
Req Resource: (Steel OR Aluminum) AND Uranium AND Nanotubes
Req Building: Remote Naval Training Center (new building, you can make stats for it)
Upgrades To: Nothing yet

Special Abilities

  • Is invisible to most units
  • Can explore Rival Territory
  • Can move through Impassable Terrain
  • Ignores Terrain Costs
  • +100% Strength vs Wooden Ships
  • +60% Strength vs Steam Ships
  • +25% Strength vs Diesel Ships
  • +25% Strength vs Nuclear Ships
  • This unit has 1-2 First Strikes
  • Can Withdraw from Combat (70% chance)
  • This unit can evade interception (30% chance)
  • This unit does not contribute to Military happiness or War Weariness
  • Costs 5 :gold: extra per turn
  • Flank Attack against Transports
  • This unit attacks Transports first


Unmanned Pirate Skiff (costs 5% more per same unit in play)
Graphic: Here
Icon: ?
Type: Nuclear Ships
Strength: 100
Movement: 12
Cost: 380
Req Tech: Unmanned Naval Vehicles
Req Civic: Despotism OR Feudal OR Monarchy OR Nationalism OR Mercantilism
Req Resource: (Steel OR Aluminum) AND (Oil Products OR Biofuels)
Req Building: Remote Naval Training Center (new building, you can make stats for it)
Upgrades To: Nothing yet

Special Abilities

  • Hidden Nationality
  • Can explore Rival Territory
  • Can Attack without declaring War
  • Ignores Terrain Costs
  • +100% Strength vs Wooden Ships
  • +60% Strength vs Steam Ships
  • This unit has 2-3 First Strikes
  • Can Capture Merchant Ships
  • Can Loot Merchant Ships
  • This unit does not contribute to Military happiness or War Weariness
  • Costs 3 :gold: extra per turn


Railgun Tank
Graphic: Here
Icon: ?
Type: Dreadnaught
Strength: 160
Movement: 2
Cost: 1400
Req Tech: Supersonic Rails
Req Resource: Nanotubes AND (Oil Products OR Biofuels)
Req Building: None
Upgrades To: Nothing yet

Special Abilities

  • This Unit is tradable
  • Does not Recieve Defensive bonuses
  • Ignores Building Defense
  • Can Attack without declaring War
  • +50% Strength vs Assault Mechs
  • This unit has 1-2 First Strikes
  • Starts with Blitz
  • Costs 10 :gold: extra per turn


Unit Changes

Plasma Armor
  • Costs 10 :gold: extra per turn
  • Remove Ignore Terrain cost (That is the big thing for the Levitation units)
  • Upgrades to Dreadnaught Tank
Heavy Levitation Tank
  • Costs 10 :gold: extra per turn
Stealth Tank
  • Costs 10 :gold: extra per turn
  • Upgrades to Dreadnaught Tank
Thermobaric Tank
  • Costs 5 :gold: extra per turn
  • Upgrades to Stealth Armor OR Plasma Armor OR Railgun Tank
  • Requires Micromechanics (was way too early at Rapid Prototyping)
Clones
  • Requires Gene Enhancement (was way too early at Cloning)
Assault Mech
  • Requires Military Robotics (was way too early at Machine Learning)
Constructor Ship
  • Requires Unmanned Naval Vehicles (was way too early at Machine Learning)

Whew, that is a lot of stuff. That, along with the Promotions and the Adjacency System I'm planning should keep me busy for a good while. The graphics, at least for the three new Naval units, I intend to get from Planetfall, which has some nice naval unit designs. I'll post which specific ones I want when I figure that out.

Also, please check out my post in the Promotions thread for what I want to do there and check my PM about buildings and civics I think need moving. Thanks very much. :goodjob:
 
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